Epic feats & PrCs

modigliani · Post by **modigliani** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 10:09 pm

Another question for the gang:

Multiclass characters who become epic through PrCs are eligible for epic feats in their non-PrC class right, assuming they meet skill point requirements?

My specific question, easier understood I'm sure, is this:

When I am Bard 12 / Pale Master 11 and level up to Bard 13 / Pale Master 11, will I be able to take Lasting Inspiration if I have the requisite Perform points (24)? Wow, that was much easier.

Cheers.

Nob · Post by **Nob** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 10:10 pm

Certain feats(like lasting inspiration) require you to be "epic" in that specific class before you can take. These are feats like lasting inspiration, bane of enemies, etc which are epic focii on a class's specific attributes.

modigliani · Post by **modigliani** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 10:18 pm

Nob wrote:Certain feats(like lasting inspiration) require you to be "epic" in that specific class before you can take. These are feats like lasting inspiration, bane of enemies, etc which are epic focii on a class's specific attributes.

Damn it all. Thankfully with a little creative scripting you can fix that for me, right, Nob?

*sighs*

Thanks for clarifying.

GHENGIZ.KHAN · Post by **GHENGIZ.KHAN** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 7:23 am

I was wondering, if I have a lvl10 monk, and lvl 10 sorceror, if I then levelled up with monk and became epic, would the monk class only get the epic bonus feats or would sorceror class get some of the joy too?

mortzestus · Post by **mortzestus** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 7:29 am

You don't get epic bonus feats until you become epic in a class (level 21 for core classes, level 11 for prestige classes). In your example, you wouldn't receive any epic bonus feats until your character got 23 sorcerer levels or 25 monk levels.

Fire Monkey · Post by **Fire Monkey** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 8:12 am

@Modigliani

As you need 24 ranks in perform (i.e. without items etc.) you couldn't really get that before you were lvl 20+ bard anyway.

KaiRal Windspar · Post by **KaiRal Windspar** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 8:27 am

Fire Monkey wrote:@Modigliani

As you need 24 ranks in perform (i.e. without items etc.) you couldn't really get that before you were lvl 20+ bard anyway.

Actually, you can. The max rank for ANY skill is based on your Character Level (All levels combined), not your class level.

GHENGIZ.KHAN · Post by **GHENGIZ.KHAN** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 8:31 am

So what your saying is, if I was determined to level out my sorceror monk evenly, I would have to wait the 5 years it would take to reach level 40, then bump one class 2 levels above the other. No I'm not happy with that. *adds bioware to kill list*

So thats why some players have a core class i.e monk, then take a couple of levels in barbarian for the rage and stuff, then a couple of levels in shadow dancer/assassin for the stealth, to accentuate there core class? I know you are suposed to take at least a few levels with a second or third class to avoid the cheese.

So can you have more than one prestige class to accentuate a core class, i'e Monk then shadow dancer and assassin?

EDIT: I just realised monk CAN have stealth anyway but for an example lets pretend they don't.

KaiRal Windspar · Post by **KaiRal Windspar** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 8:40 am

GHENGIZ.KHAN wrote:So can you have more than one prestige class to accentuate a core class, i'e Monk then shadow dancer and assassin?

AFAIK, Monks will never be able to get Shadow Dancer, as it requires at least some Arcane spell casting. Bards can, though.

I completed all of the games with an Elf Bard/Shadow Dancer/Assassin.

srn · Post by **srn** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 8:44 am

KaiRal Windspar wrote:
GHENGIZ.KHAN wrote:So can you have more than one prestige class to accentuate a core class, i'e Monk then shadow dancer and assassin?
AFAIK, Monks will never be able to get Shadow Dancer, as it requires at least some Arcane spell casting. Bards can, though.

I completed all of the games with an Elf Bard/Shadow Dancer/Assassin.

SDs don't need to be spell casters.

AAs do, that might be what you're thinking of?

KenLie · Post by **KenLie** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 8:49 am

Let's clear one thing. if you take monk/sorcerer levels evenly, you will get epic feats when you reach level 21, you just don't get class specific epic feats, because you have only epic character, not epic sorcerer , epic character is always level 21+ no matter what classes you choose.

For example 11 wizard 10 fighter will not get any epic spells, because his wizard is not epic, only his character is, but wizard 21 will, but you would still get all general great intelligences, great strength armor skin etc. common epic feats that requires only level 21 character (epic character)

Addition to that, when you have epic class, and you keep taking levels in that class, you will get additional extra epic class specific feat every X level(depending on the class you have chosen)

KaiRal Windspar · Post by **KaiRal Windspar** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 8:52 am

Yep. My bad. Still possible to get two PrCs, though.

Arkonswrath · Post by **Arkonswrath** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 9:31 am

KaiRal Windspar wrote:Yep. My bad. Still possible to get two PrCs, though.

Good luck finding a DM that will give you 2 PrCs in CoPaP though hehe

GHENGIZ.KHAN · Post by **GHENGIZ.KHAN** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 9:32 am

I see, that answers alot of questions, thankyou all of you.

Yeah I know, I wasn't planning on taking 2 PrC's, I was only curious.

KaiRal Windspar · Post by **KaiRal Windspar** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 9:44 am

Arkonswrath wrote:
KaiRal Windspar wrote:Yep. My bad. Still possible to get two PrCs, though.
Good luck finding a DM that will give you 2 PrCs in CoPaP though hehe

I dunno why. If there is a suitable IC reason for you to specialize in that way, I would say it's okay.

Nightshade · Post by **Nightshade** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 10:32 am

KaiRal Windspar wrote:
Fire Monkey wrote:@Modigliani

As you need 24 ranks in perform (i.e. without items etc.) you couldn't really get that before you were lvl 20+ bard anyway.
Actually, you can. The max rank for ANY skill is based on your Character Level (All levels combined), not your class level.

Unfortunately, you can't take perform points unless you're taking bard levels. So, with 12 bard levels, you can only have 16 perform points.

KaiRal Windspar · Post by **KaiRal Windspar** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 10:37 am

Nightshade wrote:
KaiRal Windspar wrote:
Fire Monkey wrote:@Modigliani

As you need 24 ranks in perform (i.e. without items etc.) you couldn't really get that before you were lvl 20+ bard anyway.
Actually, you can. The max rank for ANY skill is based on your Character Level (All levels combined), not your class level.
Unfortunately, you can't take perform points unless you're taking bard levels. So, with 12 bard levels, you can only have 16 perform points.

BELAY THAT LAST!

You can dump all of your points into the Bard skills when yuo level in bard, up to your Character Level max rank. So long as that is the ONLY skill y ou advance when gaining in Bard, it's actually really easy to do.

Enverex · Post by **Enverex** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 10:42 am

Nightshade wrote:
KaiRal Windspar wrote:
Fire Monkey wrote:@Modigliani

As you need 24 ranks in perform (i.e. without items etc.) you couldn't really get that before you were lvl 20+ bard anyway.
Actually, you can. The max rank for ANY skill is based on your Character Level (All levels combined), not your class level.
Unfortunately, you can't take perform points unless you're taking bard levels. So, with 12 bard levels, you can only have 16 perform points.

You can, to an extent.

If you are a level 11 bard, you will have 15 points in perform. If you then put 10 levels into, say, Fighter, you cant level up perform at the time, but then when you take another level of Bard (12) you will then be able to increase perform to 26. So you can increase things based on your level, as long as it is a class skill when you want to increase it.

KenLie · Post by **KenLie** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 11:25 am

Unfortunately, you can't take perform points unless you're taking bard levels. So, with 12 bard levels, you can only have 16 perform points.

Also, note that if you are level 12 char, (base)max is 15, not 16. it's level+3 (here 12+3).

Tony Wazz · Post by **Tony Wazz** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 6:35 pm

GHENGIZ.KHAN wrote:So thats why some players have a core class i.e monk, then take a couple of levels in barbarian for the rage and stuff, then a couple of levels in shadow dancer/assassin for the stealth, to accentuate there core class? I know you are suposed to take at least a few levels with a second or third class to avoid the cheese.

What? Whats the "cheese"? I'm a monk and I'm not to excited about multiclassing. Did I miss a rule or something?