Dwarven language

Levis Pie · Post by **Levis Pie** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 6:02 pm

I've looked on the wiki, but couldn't find it. I'm looking for the dwarvish word for guide. Not as in someone that guides, but as in like 'to guide'. I'm trying to make the phrase 'Clangeddin guide my hammer' and so far have "Clangeddin ___ mich faircham."

Krator · Post by **Krator** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 6:10 pm

If it's not on the wiki, your best bet is to make up a word and suggest it to Orleron, or contact those who originally made the language for a word.

Sears610 · Post by **Sears610** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 7:15 pm

First off I know I keep telling the DB that I will work out the kinks in my excel translator and I will soon. I hope. *crosses fingers*

With the dwarven language remember its all about context.
So you can throw almost any word in there and it will make sence to a dwarf. I have looked through and picked out a few words you might consider using.

"Clangeddin ___ mich faircham."
'Clangeddin guide my hammer'

journey reisegh
road stragenaan
traveler reisgander

Most of what I say ic in dwarven does not make sense in common. For instance...

This is a mikon proverb that I translated into dwarven

aeoch mesikoch ababel wem daibh wofel, bach aeoch seslag miedlach cuan ababel leagoch ind aeoch dlommoch vieluth caagens

The proverb in common is this

Be disciplined, if you may. But let the present moment decide when discipline evaporates and gets replaced by freedom.

The actual translation from dwarven to common is this

be like adamantium if you want, but be today forge when adamantium smelt and is come many ingots

This would make no sense to anyone other than a dwarf. So remember its all about context. [/quote]

Stormhammer · Post by **Stormhammer** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 7:26 pm

i asked this same question awhile back to Deider in a pm

wanted to say Gorethar Guide My Hammer

he said to use "Futoshoch" as meaning "to guide"

Sears610 · Post by **Sears610** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 10:26 pm

BLAH, see I still have a lot of work to do on my translator. I didnt even have "to guide" listed.... *goes back to work on his program*

Levis Pie · Post by **Levis Pie** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 1:49 am

thanks!

Levis Pie · Post by **Levis Pie** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:49 pm

*revives old thread* ok, i have another question about some translation.

i dug up this old saying on the DB boards, it was when someone died, and i've found a couple of times to use it. though i wasnt 100% on what it meant, i got the gist of it. so i checked up on the wiki a couple minutes ago and came up with this...

original saying:
Daibh famoch bhon wair, vruend (insert character name). Hoboch daibh iarfah Gorethar ind Clangeddin behnoch. Gudein Rois. Daibh neutoch aozeit kaithnaroch ain wair herzode.

i translated to:

You go from us, friend (char). I hope you experience Gorethar and Clangeddin bless you. Goodbye. (this is the tricky part) You do always know in not heart.

you do always know in not heart?! wtf does that mean? im sure it wouldnt be that exactly translated from dwarven to common. well, literally translated it is, but y'know what i mean

. maybe "you do not always know what's in your heart" but i cant really make sense of that

any help is really appreciated!

Li'll Divvil · Post by **Li'll Divvil** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 1:30 pm

I'd say for this you need to not take your translation to literal and use a more "poetic" freedom in translating. Especially since most of these "languages" are designed not by real linguists (correct me if I am wrong here) anyway and it might not always make complete sense.

In your case I would translate this sentence a little different:

You leave us (or go from us) friend (...). I hope you experience (receive?) Gorethars and Clangeddin's blessing. You will always remain(live) in our heart.

What I do miss is a reference to Ale in this blessing, whihc seems odd for dwarves:)

Also if there's a word not know take any language with a germanic root (german, dutch or any scandinavian language NOT finnish) and look for a word that has the meaning then forge it into a dwarven equivalent.

Levis Pie · Post by **Levis Pie** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 12:45 am

oooh, yeah thats a lot better than mine.

*makes notes* thanks!

KinX · Post by **KinX** » Thu May 17, 2007 8:00 am

Li'll Divvil wrote: Also if there's a word not know take any language with a germanic root (german, dutch or any scandinavian language NOT finnish) and look for a word that has the meaning then forge it into a dwarven equivalent.

The Dwarvish we created was actually a mixture of german and gaelic

Li'll Divvil · Post by **Li'll Divvil** » Thu May 17, 2007 1:56 pm

Ah, ok it would make a little more sense then with some of the words. For my own dwarf I have been throwing in a few words derived from either german or the southern dutch dialect of my hom region (which is derived from an even older germanic dialect) but which ..."sounded" right.

For instance Levis' "to guide" in his earlier post in this thread i took the root for "to aim" from this dialect and modified it a bit, it would literally come to Clangeddin aim my hammer (i used the word for axe instead though for my dwarf)

"Clangeddin richte mich faircham"

I could also take the root for "to steer" in which case it would become

"Clangeddin stuere mich faircham".

Both of which are easily interpreted as "Clangeddin guide my hammer".
I do not know Gaelic, so I'd have to restrict myself to the germanic parts.

I am trying to collect all the dwarven grammar and dictionaries IG as well, but as the others said a lot is still missing.

KinX · Post by **KinX** » Fri May 18, 2007 12:23 am

I can't remember who exactly did what when the language was created, i think vergilius and deider did grammar, but i actually came up with the words on the list and i don't speak german or gaelic. I just took the german word and the gaelic word and mashed them together until it sounded/looked dwarvish. I used internet language translators to find the words i needed.

As always, as long as it sounds dwarvish i don't think anyone will have a problem. Just notify the team and let them know what the word is so the language library can be updated. Otherwise if everyone's making words up it'll be a mess.

Deider · Post by **Deider** » Sat May 19, 2007 8:19 am

KinX wrote:I can't remember who exactly did what when the language was created, i think vergilius and deider did grammar, but i actually came up with the words on the list and i don't speak german or gaelic. I just took the german word and the gaelic word and mashed them together until it sounded/looked dwarvish. I used internet language translators to find the words i needed.

What KinX said. Verg and I did the grammar, and KinX did the original word list. The grammar was meant to be fairly simple, both to match our ideas of dwarfs and to be easy for players to use. When people asked for additional words, I used internet translators to make them, just as KinX did.

Yo KinX, long time no see dude!!