Making animals ignore the Animal Empathy skill..

Moredo · Post by **Moredo** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 3:15 pm

Is there any way to get that done, without changing the base race of the creature to something not animal? If not, does anyone know how to jack up the AE DC without changing the creature itself (no added will save or levels I mean)?

Fifty · Post by **Fifty** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 3:34 pm

Not sure if this would work:

How many will saves do animals make except for mind-affecting spells and animal empathy? So give them +5 against will saves and -5 for saves against mind-affecting spells? Not sure if you can do the latter though.

Kinarr · Post by **Kinarr** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 5:53 pm

As far as I know, the creature's will save is not a factor.
The DC for Animal Empathy for animals is 20 + hit die of the creature.
DC for beasts and magical creatures is 24 + hit die.

So...other than raising the hit die of the creature, I think the only way to prevent AE is to make the creature immune to charm and dominate.

Tigg · Post by **Tigg** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 9:32 pm

can't be done, don't even try, kthxbai

>_>

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Oh and small note:

Kinarr wrote:The DC for Animal Empathy for animals is 20 + hit die of the creature.
DC for beasts and magical creatures is 24 + hit die.

Grimoire says it's 15 and 19. And I always had 20 and 30 in my head. So.. wonder which is right? I'll have to take a closer look at some rolls.

Froggy · Post by **Froggy** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 9:39 pm

Not sure if this one is bug or not. But I remember seeing swamp creature or some such in Undermarsh of Le'Or. You can use AE on those but they are not dominated by it. If I recall correctly they use Vegepigmy model, and not the one using Thorny Rider model. You may want to take a look at the copy of the creature and see what AI etc it has.

Moredo · Post by **Moredo** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 9:49 pm

Tried the thing you said Kinarr a while ago, but couldn't get that to work. Changed the base creature type to "monstrous" for the three animals we're talking about. Not perfect, but it works.

For all you with +20 vs. Animal weapons.. you're SOL.

Tigg · Post by **Tigg** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 9:53 pm

which three creatures were we talking about again? I forget..

Moredo · Post by **Moredo** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 10:40 pm

Some ranger companions, the rest is FOIG.

Khaelindra · Post by **Khaelindra** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 12:03 am

Moredo wrote:Some ranger companions

*refrains from making some comments*