Avlis throws its hat into the ring: NWN2

girlysprite · Post by **girlysprite** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 7:29 am

If nwn2 is there, Ill sbuscribe for building if the need is there.

Oh I also subscribed to the WF.

Magrit · Post by **Magrit** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 9:08 am

That's excellent news!

If something hadn't of been done, most new players would have stopped signing up and the community would have slowly dried up.

This way Avlis will live on, and the general Avlis community will too.

Cheers.

Xandor Amakiir · Post by **Xandor Amakiir** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:16 pm

Forgive the storyteller for letting his mind race on, and yea ill join WF...

Clean start scenario...

NWN Avlis

Work towards a big bang moment. for example, demons from the underdark take over southern avlis ((or more)) Utter chaos, goverments collaps, cities taken over by bandit lords/dictators ((ED

)) Demons rule the lands...

NWN2 Avlis

Start out with just the cities ((time has passed)) the old powers are regaining their lost strengh. Goal... Retake the cities, restore law and order there. The time this takes can be used to recreate the lands as the brave slowly progress in retaking their old teretories from the bandits and demons...

This way you have an excelent explenation why the orders/guilds etc have to be rebuild, and the plot is a tool in rebuilding the world...

Just my 50cent, i just know when i see a nice plot for a grand story

jaythespacehound · Post by **jaythespacehound** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:39 pm

mmm I like it (both the nwn2 avlis and the plotline of Xandors heh)

*wonders with some trepidation what nw2script is going to be like*

And yes, I know it's interconvertable, but I bet it'll be much cleaner to code fresh... MMMM New functions!

RocurWren · Post by **RocurWren** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 1:11 pm

Darkfire wrote: The first thought I had when I heard NWN2 Avlis, is...all the time I put in my charecter would be wasted. But I thought about it, and it would be far from a waste. Like Amiru said, politics, guilds, everything will be a new start. that really sounds like alot of fun. A fresh slate, I look forward to what ever the choice is.

Here is the thing though, it will be hard enough just to keep familiar relationships whole because everyone will be playing a new character and many people will not be re-creating their own character. All that time to establish player-run guilds, etc... it all goes away when characters are not transferred over. How can you have the same feel when all the leaders are gone? Hell, the early days of Avlis NWN2 are going to be difficult. Good luck with that.

freestyler · Post by **freestyler** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 1:14 pm

I love the world that has been created and this will see it live longer. Today is a good day

Sign me up for the dog work , I aint too skilled with building or coding , but am willing

anodynes · Post by **anodynes** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 1:16 pm

Orleron wrote:...did you ever consider the aspect of Legend?

By putting time into your characer and making them well-developed, you make them a figure in the history of Avlis. The more you document what the character did, the more immortal it will become.

You know, as long as the history continues you can have a legacy. We all better get that statue made in the likeness of our favorite character in our favorite spot.

scratch · Post by **scratch** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 2:54 pm

Xandor Amakiir wrote: ...

NWN2 Avlis

Start out with just the cities ((time has passed)) the old powers are regaining their lost strengh. Goal... Retake the cities, restore law and order there. The time this takes can be used to recreate the lands as the brave slowly progress in retaking their old teretories from the bandits and demons...

This way you have an excelent explenation why the orders/guilds etc have to be rebuild, and the plot is a tool in rebuilding the world...

It looks like to start off with all the cities/areas already in place the team would have to spend months re-creating everything? Or do areas transfer over from NWN to NWN2 easily? I don't see this as possible since just about every custom script, etc has to be reviewed if not entirely recreated.... then Hak paks made up.

Otherwise, is the team going to flesh out all existing areas before NWN2 is released to the players or are they going to start out with just a few areas and work out from there? It seems that the player base would be very large to start so that re-creating alot of the existing areas would be necessary.

Xandor,
Are you saying all buildings stay but some apocolypse has somehow destroyed all the orders/guilds? ...some anarchy that has broken up groups held by goals ... yet it has not destroyed buildings, trees, etc? I dissagree with you on that.

I would think the DM Team needs to put NPCs in place of the guilds/orders current leaders ... pretty sure this is how it all started out when NWN was released years ago. Eventually, player characters earn the right to take over leadership roles in each group/guild/organization.

GHENGIZ.KHAN · Post by **GHENGIZ.KHAN** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 3:02 pm

You'd have to join WF to find out where and when it will be. Doesn't neccesarily have to be a pre-existing nwn1:avlis land, and theres hundreds of thousands of years it could be set in.

Post by **Orleron** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 3:10 pm

Ghengiz is correct. We're up to around 8 pages of discussion on these topics, and we're actually making good progress on time period and issues of characters, etc.

We're not going to repeat it here until it's all over with, so if you want to be part of the discussion, head over there.

Heronimous Fox · Post by **Heronimous Fox** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 3:40 pm

Oh you tease!

myzmar · Post by **myzmar** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 3:46 pm

They do, oh yes they do...

myzmar · Post by **myzmar** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 4:10 pm

ARGHHH, ok, ok, I subscribed to World Forge. I really did. NWN2 did the trick, yeah... clever tactic...

Post by **Orleron** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 4:35 pm

myzmar wrote:ARGHHH, ok, ok, I subscribed to World Forge. I really did. NWN2 did the trick, yeah... clever tactic...

You just wait. All my tactics have been from my own personal cunning and ingenuity so far.

But I'm actually taking a course in Marketing right now, starting yesterday, as part of my MBA. mmmuahahahaha....

Brayon · Post by **Brayon** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 9:02 pm

Xandor Amakiir wrote:Forgive the storyteller for letting his mind race on, and yea ill join WF...

Clean start scenario...

NWN Avlis

Work towards a big bang moment. for example, demons from the underdark take over southern avlis ((or more)) Utter chaos, goverments collaps, cities taken over by bandit lords/dictators ((ED )) Demons rule the lands...

NWN2 Avlis

Start out with just the cities ((time has passed)) the old powers are regaining their lost strengh. Goal... Retake the cities, restore law and order there. The time this takes can be used to recreate the lands as the brave slowly progress in retaking their old teretories from the bandits and demons...

This way you have an excelent explenation why the orders/guilds etc have to be rebuild, and the plot is a tool in rebuilding the world...

Just my 50cent, i just know when i see a nice plot for a grand story

Orleron was right. Non-members say interesting things.

Join World Forge. Its a blast reading the events that may come to past. Or how the Shite might hit the fan, or not.

The Avlis discussions on WFM is great, an added bonus to the other great content that I have seen.

frogmella · Post by **frogmella** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 9:52 pm

Forgive the spam! I had this in another thread and it may have been the wrong place.

Having had several bad experiences with Pay Pal and the like, I'm under orders from my partner not to use them again.

This NW2 talk is getting me excited. I would love to subscribe to WF in the good old fashioned way by sending money ... is there a street address ... and can you use cheques as well as cash? This would be from England, btw, but I can send dollars.

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Post by **Orleron** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 9:58 pm

Frogmella,

The site takes credit cards directly. You don't need PayPal.

Hi Mate · Post by **Hi Mate** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:26 pm

hope you guys can make it a lot like this..cuz I like it here!

frogmella · Post by **frogmella** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:50 pm

Jhevon · Post by **Jhevon** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 12:13 am

To those of you worried that Avlis NWN2 will mean "the death of Avlis NWN1" I say on the contrary; it will guarantee it will evolve and live on for years to come and not die the slow death it was otherwise doomed to.

Plethora wrote:new PCs..
new characters..
new timeline..
new stories..

sounds awesome!!

+1!!

Triwise · Post by **Triwise** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 1:02 am

Orleron wrote:Concerns about characters are answered in WFM forums.

Please Please Please!!

I love the Avlis world, I love what your team has done, But unless you offer a free 5 day trial on the WFM, stop pushing it.

I don't buy sight unseen EVER!

as for NWN 2 amd Avlis, I look forward to it and Disapointed too. As there are far to many Questions i want answered and it seems there on the WFM Fourm,
But that is still no reason to buy it. Just to read a fourm. I'm sure News will trickle down to the free fourm somehow.

This is not a rant! just an Observation

Jhevon · Post by **Jhevon** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 1:17 am

Triwise wrote:... stop pushing it ... no reason to buy it

Perhaps you are unaware that Avlis operates on donations and subscriptions to WFM alone? The generosity of those that subscribe is what allows all the rest to play Avlis for free.

Think of WFM as a "subscription to Avlis" if you like; personally I've never read a single article on it or its predecessor until now.

Jhevon

Triwise · Post by **Triwise** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 1:22 am

Ok I'm sorry

But I would still like to see what this WFM first. It doesn't sound interesting to me. If you want a donation to play, I Would freely give it.

Triwise · Post by **Triwise** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 1:34 am

Nob wrote: I have put a lot of time and energy into making Tanmar the character he is. Forgive me for being unhappy that it will eventually be for naught.

*Luna can be seen Cring with Tanmar that the world is coming to an end*

But the day, May yet Shine on a new world!!

Triwise · Post by **Triwise** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 1:51 am

Think of WFM as a "subscription to Avlis" if you like; personally I've never read a single article on it or its predecessor until now.

Jhevon

I missed that the first time i read it, Having a voice in Avlis 2 would be nice. Maybe I'll take a leap of Faith, Buy it for the sake of Avlis