bludgeoning and finesse

Tharliss · Post by **Tharliss** » Wed May 18, 2005 3:21 pm

Rocky Balboa wrote:
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I'm sleeping now!

I'm sleeping now while at work!

dhocott · Post by **dhocott** » Wed May 18, 2005 3:21 pm

I go to work so I can read the forum without my kids running in to ask to see all the Disney characters on the computer, and to get some rest.

pincushionman · Post by **pincushionman** » Wed May 18, 2005 3:41 pm

*raises hand* I'm at work! Circumstances have made it so I have been pretty light the past few weeks. But at any time, I may get inundated.

Anyway, The screenshot at Gamebanshee is WRONG. As of Hordes of the Underdark, the feat has been altered. Specifically, it adds WHIPS to the list of weapons that can be finnessed. I do not know if it addressed Clubs in that change, but when I was isnpecting it in-game, I noticed it listed Whips as well. If somebody can check it out in-game, or in the toolset, then we can get a difinitive answer.

And as far as I know, to be finnessable, the weapon's base type must be both specifically addressed in the feat AND be one or more size classes smaller than your character. Except for Rapiers, in which case your character must be Medium or larger. Somebody verify this (or shoot it down), please? It means halflings and gnomes can only finnesse Kukris and daggers?

Rocky Balboa · Post by **Rocky Balboa** » Wed May 18, 2005 3:53 pm

Tharliss wrote:
Rocky Balboa wrote:
Gairus wrote:don't look at me. i'm using my sleep hours.
I'm sleeping now!
I'm sleeping now while at work!

Me too! But I'm an Airline Pilot!

Post by **RCon** » Wed May 18, 2005 3:58 pm

pincushionman wrote:Anyway, The screenshot at Gamebanshee is WRONG. As of Hordes of the Underdark, the feat has been altered. Specifically, it adds WHIPS to the list of weapons that can be finnessed. I do not know if it addressed Clubs in that change, but when I was isnpecting it in-game, I noticed it listed Whips as well. If somebody can check it out in-game, or in the toolset, then we can get a difinitive answer.

And as far as I know, to be finnessable, the weapon's base type must be both specifically addressed in the feat AND be one or more size classes smaller than your character. Except for Rapiers, in which case your character must be Medium or larger. Somebody verify this (or shoot it down), please? It means halflings and gnomes can only finnesse Kukris and daggers?

My main is a halfling with Weapon Finesse. Halflings can finesse any of the weapons on the normal finesse list, with the exception of rapiers. OK, well technically, I haven't tried Whips, Kukris, or Kamas, since he doesn't have Exotic proficiency. I did however, ask the question on the Bioware forums, and was assured that everything except Rapiers was finesseable by Halflings. I would guess that gnomes work the same way.

ReallyStupidGuy · Post by **ReallyStupidGuy** » Wed May 18, 2005 10:36 pm

Do rapiers count as light weapons for two weapon fighting?

Post by **RCon** » Wed May 18, 2005 10:46 pm

ReallyStupidGuy wrote:Do rapiers count as light weapons for two weapon fighting?

I believe the manual lists them as such, but I'm pretty sure this is incorrect.

Rain&Clouds · Post by **Rain&Clouds** » Wed May 18, 2005 10:49 pm

Not sure if this answers your question, but wielding a rapier (even though it's a light weapon) in the left hand will give you bigger penalties than a weapon like a dagger

Tesh · Post by **Tesh** » Thu May 19, 2005 1:14 am

Dammit Talwin!!!

You got me all excited about finessable clubs, I started thinking that I'd be able to finesse my Boken which would be damn cool

And don't even get me started on how katana are not finessable weapons when IMO they should be, I mean how cool would a finessable d10 damage weapon be in the right hands.....

Jonezie · Post by **Jonezie** » Thu May 19, 2005 5:30 am

Rapiers DO count as small weapons for determining if they will work with weapon finesse.
Rapiers DO NOT count as small weapons for determining off-hand AB penalties when dual wielding.

Clubs are medium weapons, and cannot be finessed.

pincushionman · Post by **pincushionman** » Thu May 19, 2005 1:57 pm

Jonezie wrote:Rapiers DO count as small weapons for determining if they will work with weapon finesse.
Rapiers DO NOT count as small weapons for determining off-hand AB penalties when dual wielding...

I think one of the reasons people keep asking this is that everybody keeps on insisting that "rapiers are considered light in terms of finnessability but not in terms of off-hand." Rapiers are NOT finnessable because they are light weapons, because they aren't (usually) light weapons. Rapiers are finnessable because they are finnessable.

Even in PnP, the descrition states that a finnesseable a weapon must be a "light weapon OR a rapier OR a whip OR a spiked chain." Which is clear to me that the rapier is not "considered a light weapon," it is just finnessable.

ReallyStupidGuy · Post by **ReallyStupidGuy** » Thu May 19, 2005 5:10 pm

Thanks much for your infos.

TiVO25 · Post by **TiVO25** » Thu May 19, 2005 5:37 pm

I could've sworn I've dual equipped rapiers and got the light-weapon in the off-hand penalty reduction. Could be wrong though.

mortzestus · Post by **mortzestus** » Thu May 19, 2005 6:20 pm

TiVO25 wrote:I could've sworn I've dual equipped rapiers and got the light-weapon in the off-hand penalty reduction. Could be wrong though.

This doesn't happen. A rapier used offhand will give at best a -4 penalty instead of -2.

Post by **RCon** » Thu May 19, 2005 6:22 pm

TiVO25 wrote:I could've sworn I've dual equipped rapiers and got the light-weapon in the off-hand penalty reduction. Could be wrong though.

This is possible for large size creatures, like Wemics, for instance. Of course, all other Medium weapons would give the reduced penalty as well.

Istahire · Post by **Istahire** » Thu May 19, 2005 7:41 pm

Perhaps more people should consult the books to find out how things work

pincushionman · Post by **pincushionman** » Thu May 19, 2005 8:14 pm

If you mean the PnP books, this is one of the cases where they are different from NWN.