Cleric multiclass

Halvar Yanocen · Post by **Halvar Yanocen** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 3:50 pm

Fire Monkey wrote: I ain't pointing any finger here but what is represented by the number of clerics with levels of rogue, are they all devoutly religious sneaky bastards? Of course this is fine depending on which god you worship and how you play your character. Just curious is all.

Take a look at what gods they worship, a cleric/rogue can be very ic for
a priest of Forian or Angadar. Just as a cleric/fighter can be ic for a priest
of Toran or Gorethar or a cleric/ranger of Dru'El.

Sickocrow · Post by **Sickocrow** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 3:52 pm

Cleric/fighter/rogue. Clerics of Mikon have to be able to perform mutlifunction roles. OH yeah, and the timezone thingo.

Enverex · Post by **Enverex** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 4:03 pm

Well, so far, I think I have seen pretty much every single person say they are going to take levels in Psion. Would love to see how it seems to fit into everyones situations...

Manuel the White · Post by **Manuel the White** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 4:21 pm

Halvar Yanocen wrote:or a cleric/ranger of Dru'El.

Funny you should say that. I was seriously considering this very thing...

choraldances · Post by **choraldances** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 4:30 pm

I should add many PC's start out in other classes, than goes to Cleric. When they had a "religious" experience

KunojiLym · Post by **KunojiLym** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 4:30 pm

Me, I'm considering taking druid levels for my cleric... that is, if the engine would let me. (being a CG cleric of Cha'reth and all...)

Aloro · Post by **Aloro** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 4:53 pm

KunojiLym wrote:Me, I'm considering taking druid levels for my cleric... that is, if the engine would let me. (being a CG cleric of Cha'reth and all...)

The engine will let you, though will require DM intervention until we fix the druid alignment problems. I'll help ya out.

- Aloro

frogmella · Post by **frogmella** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 8:17 pm

Sun-and-Moon is a cleric/monk of Vorin

Aloro · Post by **Aloro** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 8:27 pm

My cleric multiclassed as a cleric/cleric. I was going to make him a cleric/cleric/cleric, but needed to leave a class slot open for demigod. So now he's a cleric/cleric/demigod. It's working out ok so far, though the 100% experience penalty is a bitch. Progression's really slowed down there.

I actually DID consider making Cha'reth a cleric/druid, but decided to focus on his role as a spiritual advisor and healer. Joking aside, he'd still be a straight cleric if he were alive.

What do you get for being an epic cleric? Mechanically, two things really:

* spell durations are defined as "however long is convenient for you"
* you can turn undead pretty freaking well - and other things too, with the right domain abilities (e.g. Animal Domain -> turn vermin)

Do these two things offset the mechanical benefits from taking a second class? Eh, maybe not. I dunno. Doesn't matter to me though - clerics are cool.

- Aloro

Enverex · Post by **Enverex** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 8:46 pm

Yeah, but I mean a pure Cleric at level 40 only has 4 minute durations on Round/Level spells unless extended, heh.

Fire Monkey · Post by **Fire Monkey** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 8:53 pm

*applauds Aloro*

You see there guys. Thats what you get for staying cleric all the way. Demi-godhood. 'nuf said.

WrathOG777 · Post by **WrathOG777** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 8:57 pm

Enverex wrote:Yeah, but I mean a pure Cleric at level 40 only has 4 minute durations on Round/Level spells unless extended, heh.

Do you have any idea how long eight minutes on Avlis is?! That is enough to keep that buff memorized twice and keep it up ALL day. That is right, a round per lvl buff up for the whole day.

And I am pretty sure he was talking about standard turn/hour based buffs. Which are all day starting at 4th lvl for hours, and 16th lvl for turns.

A whole day is only 16 minutes. 4 minute buffs are a long time. Fights only last about 30-45 seconds.

Jordicus · Post by **Jordicus** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 8:59 pm

WrathOG777 wrote:
Enverex wrote:Yeah, but I mean a pure Cleric at level 40 only has 4 minute durations on Round/Level spells unless extended, heh.
Do you have any idea how long eight minutes on Avlis is?! That is enough to keep that buff memorized twice and keep it up ALL day. That is right, a round per lvl buff up for the whole day.

And I am pretty sure he was talking about standard turn/hour based buffs. Which are all day starting at 4th lvl for hours, and 16th lvl for turns.

A whole day is only 16 minutes. 4 minute buffs are a long time. Fights only last about 30-45 seconds.

exactly, you have to think in terms of gametime not realtime in many cases like this..

Fuzz · Post by **Fuzz** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 9:00 pm

Setanos wrote:But dont do so on the basis of class levels. After all, the NPC high priest of a temple may be very often a lower level cleric then the adventurering PC cleric.

I fully agree with this except with a proviso about Holy Warrior PrCs... I think the number of levels you pursue in that particular PrC (Paladins included) IS directly related to how devout a follower you are, since each PrC is distinctly intertwined with their respective gods' beliefs.

Enverex wrote:Well, so far, I think I have seen pretty much every single person say they are going to take levels in Psion. Would love to see how it seems to fit into everyones situations...

Depends on the god, really, though if a Cleric is any sort of Chaotic, they couldn't be a Psion, since Psions have an Alignment restriction of any non-Chaotic. (They have to be Lawful or Neutral)

Ergo, Cleric/Psions of Maleki, Dru'el, Cha'reth, Corellon, Forian, Xenon, etc. are pretty much an impossibility... I don't forsee any logical reason to fudge the restrictions based on Domains a la Druids of Cha'reth or Dru'el, since all the mental oriented domain Gods are Lawful... Senath, Valok, Angadar, Mikon, etc. Angadar actually had Psion levels, heh.

The logic that Elves are very intelligent and therefore would be prone to be Psions is kind of flawed since Psionics isn't really based on any one stat, and if it's based on anything, it's Wisdom. It's basis on Wisdom is unlike a Clerics, it's more like a Monks in teh fact that it requires a lot of focus and self-discipline to utilize, and thus the alignment restriction of any non-Chaotic... so you can have an Elven Psion/Cleric, they'd just be something non-Chaotic... a Follower of O'Ma or something. Psionics don't have any direct relation to being Elven, nor is there any indicator in the world history that Elves tend to have a higher likelihood of being Psions or anything like that.

But that's up to the team to make an official ruling on, that's just my view from having played with Psions a lot in PnP and with the mod.

Jordicus · Post by **Jordicus** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 9:02 pm

Deigo is cleric/fighter, even though he hardly gets played nowadays... *sigh* not that any of my chars get played much...

eventually, he would probably take rogue levels as well, if he ever gets that far.. Shirriff Perrory is his role-model..

WrathOG777 · Post by **WrathOG777** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 9:04 pm

Psions are going to be regular class like any other. What is the big deal? I do not see folks in an uproar over the number of fighters and multiclassed folks with fighter lvls.

Fuzz · Post by **Fuzz** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 9:15 pm

Yeah, and I agree with what Wrath said... Psions are just another class, there's no big deal on what they can do as compared to multiclassing a Cleric with a Sorceror or Fighter. They're not super alignment restrictive with prereqs like a Holy Warrior or something like that, they just can't be Chaotic, and that's it... no Iron Will or Concentration requirement in the Avlis version of the hak, unlike MrNathan's original implementation. They aren't a PrC.

Personally, I'm more curious as to why there aren't more Cleric/Holy Warrior characters... in a mild hijack, (start another thread if you're as curious as I am) why is there no interest in going the Holy Warrior route, in general? Barring the characters taht progressed really far prior to teh advent of the Holy Warriors, and thus are nowhere near the requirements for them, what other reasons are there? Is it because hte Holy Warrior PrCs aren't as powerful as multiclassing with some other PrC, in terms of spells and such, or what? Just curious, since I know of literally 3 characters who actually have levels in one of the Holy Warrior PrCs, and know of maybe 2 more that are actually trying to get their PrC slot activated through a DM quest.

Enverex · Post by **Enverex** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 9:18 pm

WrathOG777 wrote:
Enverex wrote:Yeah, but I mean a pure Cleric at level 40 only has 4 minute durations on Round/Level spells unless extended, heh.
Do you have any idea how long eight minutes on Avlis is?! That is enough to keep that buff memorized twice and keep it up ALL day. That is right, a round per lvl buff up for the whole day.

And I am pretty sure he was talking about standard turn/hour based buffs. Which are all day starting at 4th lvl for hours, and 16th lvl for turns.

A whole day is only 16 minutes. 4 minute buffs are a long time. Fights only last about 30-45 seconds.

True, but I mean, for instance, that is assuming you are a level 40 cleric using extended spells, which I am sure wont be happening anytime soon. I.e. a Level 8 cleric round based spells, not extended, obviouly at this level, only last 46 seconds. Thats barely enough for one fight, assuming the fight is relitively easy....

Jordicus · Post by **Jordicus** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 9:20 pm

Enverex wrote:
WrathOG777 wrote:
Enverex wrote:Yeah, but I mean a pure Cleric at level 40 only has 4 minute durations on Round/Level spells unless extended, heh.
Do you have any idea how long eight minutes on Avlis is?! That is enough to keep that buff memorized twice and keep it up ALL day. That is right, a round per lvl buff up for the whole day.

And I am pretty sure he was talking about standard turn/hour based buffs. Which are all day starting at 4th lvl for hours, and 16th lvl for turns.

A whole day is only 16 minutes. 4 minute buffs are a long time. Fights only last about 30-45 seconds.
True, but I mean, for instance, that is assuming you are a level 40 cleric using extended spells, which I am sure wont be happening anytime soon. I.e. a Level 8 cleric round based spells, not extended, obviouly at this level, only last 46 seconds. Thats barely enough for one fight, assuming the fight is relitively easy....

something seems off in your calculations there...

Enverex · Post by **Enverex** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 9:26 pm

Jordicus wrote:
Enverex wrote:
WrathOG777 wrote:
Enverex wrote:Yeah, but I mean a pure Cleric at level 40 only has 4 minute durations on Round/Level spells unless extended, heh.
Do you have any idea how long eight minutes on Avlis is?! That is enough to keep that buff memorized twice and keep it up ALL day. That is right, a round per lvl buff up for the whole day.

And I am pretty sure he was talking about standard turn/hour based buffs. Which are all day starting at 4th lvl for hours, and 16th lvl for turns.

A whole day is only 16 minutes. 4 minute buffs are a long time. Fights only last about 30-45 seconds.
True, but I mean, for instance, that is assuming you are a level 40 cleric using extended spells, which I am sure wont be happening anytime soon. I.e. a Level 8 cleric round based spells, not extended, obviouly at this level, only last 46 seconds. Thats barely enough for one fight, assuming the fight is relitively easy....
something seems off in your calculations there...

Sorry, 48 seconds. 2 second difference, big deal, heh.

Hortis · Post by **Hortis** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 9:56 pm

Reason my char won't be a holy warrior is 'cos he's too small to take the Large Flail focus.

*grumps about that on multiple threads*

Jordicus · Post by **Jordicus** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 10:03 pm

Enverex wrote:
Jordicus wrote:
Enverex wrote:
WrathOG777 wrote:
Enverex wrote:Yeah, but I mean a pure Cleric at level 40 only has 4 minute durations on Round/Level spells unless extended, heh.
Do you have any idea how long eight minutes on Avlis is?! That is enough to keep that buff memorized twice and keep it up ALL day. That is right, a round per lvl buff up for the whole day.

And I am pretty sure he was talking about standard turn/hour based buffs. Which are all day starting at 4th lvl for hours, and 16th lvl for turns.

A whole day is only 16 minutes. 4 minute buffs are a long time. Fights only last about 30-45 seconds.
True, but I mean, for instance, that is assuming you are a level 40 cleric using extended spells, which I am sure wont be happening anytime soon. I.e. a Level 8 cleric round based spells, not extended, obviouly at this level, only last 46 seconds. Thats barely enough for one fight, assuming the fight is relitively easy....
something seems off in your calculations there...
Sorry, 48 seconds. 2 second difference, big deal, heh.

my goodness, do you EVER have a positve comment?

Enverex · Post by **Enverex** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 10:15 pm

Jordicus wrote:
Enverex wrote:
Jordicus wrote:
Enverex wrote:
WrathOG777 wrote:
Enverex wrote:Yeah, but I mean a pure Cleric at level 40 only has 4 minute durations on Round/Level spells unless extended, heh.
Do you have any idea how long eight minutes on Avlis is?! That is enough to keep that buff memorized twice and keep it up ALL day. That is right, a round per lvl buff up for the whole day.

And I am pretty sure he was talking about standard turn/hour based buffs. Which are all day starting at 4th lvl for hours, and 16th lvl for turns.

A whole day is only 16 minutes. 4 minute buffs are a long time. Fights only last about 30-45 seconds.
True, but I mean, for instance, that is assuming you are a level 40 cleric using extended spells, which I am sure wont be happening anytime soon. I.e. a Level 8 cleric round based spells, not extended, obviouly at this level, only last 46 seconds. Thats barely enough for one fight, assuming the fight is relitively easy....
something seems off in your calculations there...
Sorry, 48 seconds. 2 second difference, big deal, heh.
my goodness, do you EVER have a positve comment?
Yeah, but I was trying to point out a flaw in thingys post, considering the best spells are round/level for obvious reasons. And what if I don't post possitive comments? Maybe I just dont feel like saying anything positive, heh...

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