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Heronimous Fox · Post by **Heronimous Fox** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 7:07 pm

What happens when you reach either end of the allignment spectrum?

Do you grow horns or sprout angelic wings, do you turn into Tiras or Kaelyn?

I think we should be told.

Gordaan Of Garagos · Post by **Gordaan Of Garagos** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 7:14 pm

Nada

(Unless it's scripted here to do so, which I doubt)

If you can make extremes in alignments, in both good or evil, law and chaos (well... or even neutrality) you get "titles.

Chaotic 0 Neutral 50 is Free Spirit, I believe, and so on and so forth.

Nice to have a title, til someone does something to screw it up when you are partied

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Enverex · Post by **Enverex** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 7:43 pm

Yeah, people in Aborea piss me off when they start shifting my alignment to good. I'm actually going to have to go on a commoner killing spree to fix my alignment.

Is it possible to fix the aborea alignment good bonus to only affect that one person as it has nothing to do with anyone else in the party, at all?

Jordicus · Post by **Jordicus** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 7:51 pm

Enverex wrote:Is it possible to fix the aborea alignment good bonus to only affect that one person as it has nothing to do with anyone else in the party, at all?

leave the party..

party alignment shifts are hard-coded into the engine.

foxymole · Post by **foxymole** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 8:07 pm

the CE perfect alignment (...0:0) title is destroyer

Fire Monkey · Post by **Fire Monkey** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 8:10 pm

Del has had 0 on one alignment axis most of the time and, well, he is fat but I checked and theres definitely no horns involved.

Gairus · Post by **Gairus** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 8:19 pm

which reminds me.

i've surely earned some Lawful points by now. Must try convincing a DM to get me the dominator title

Enverex · Post by **Enverex** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 8:20 pm

Jordicus wrote:
Enverex wrote:Is it possible to fix the aborea alignment good bonus to only affect that one person as it has nothing to do with anyone else in the party, at all?
leave the party..

party alignment shifts are hard-coded into the engine.

Riiiiiight, middle of big battles, people dying left right and center.... and I should leave the party. Am I the only one who thinks that sounds stupid?

Jordicus · Post by **Jordicus** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 8:25 pm

Enverex wrote:
Jordicus wrote:
Enverex wrote:Is it possible to fix the aborea alignment good bonus to only affect that one person as it has nothing to do with anyone else in the party, at all?
leave the party..

party alignment shifts are hard-coded into the engine.
Riiiiiight, middle of big battles, people dying left right and center.... and I should leave the party. Am I the only one who thinks that sounds stupid?

i didn't say it was smart. I said it was the ONLY way to avoid a alignment penalty hit currently.

in a short time, it will be self-resolved in a sense as anyone travelling to the Afterlife will be removed from their party..

Fifty · Post by **Fifty** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 8:29 pm

NG is benefactor
TN is um... ah.. forgotten!

ArmoredSaint · Post by **ArmoredSaint** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 8:31 pm

CG is the "Rebel"

Jordicus · Post by **Jordicus** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 8:37 pm

CN is Free Spirit

Jeriel Fist · Post by **Jeriel Fist** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 9:27 pm

Fifty wrote:TN is um... ah.. forgotten!

Reconciler

Nightshade · Post by **Nightshade** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 10:04 pm

Enverex wrote:
Jordicus wrote:
Enverex wrote:Is it possible to fix the aborea alignment good bonus to only affect that one person as it has nothing to do with anyone else in the party, at all?
leave the party..

party alignment shifts are hard-coded into the engine.
Riiiiiight, middle of big battles, people dying left right and center.... and I should leave the party. Am I the only one who thinks that sounds stupid?

Mainly, I'd guess, the rest of us just deal with it as a fact of life on Avlis. If it really bothers you, go kill a commoner, or smush a bunny, or cross breed with a dire chicken or something.

Wyrmwing · Post by **Wyrmwing** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 10:29 pm

LG: Crusader
LN: Judge
LE: Dominator
NG: Benefactor
TN: Reconciler
NE: Malefactor
CG: Rebel
CN: Free spirit
CE: Destroyet

Gah.. I spend too much time in silly books

tha_monsta · Post by **tha_monsta** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 2:19 pm

My main is a Crusader. Sorry, no halos.

That'd be cool, though.

Drysh · Post by **Drysh** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 9:37 pm

Two ways to avoid alignment shift without leaving the party:
- Tell the player to leave the party if they die. Why do we need a system to do that? If the player is suposed to leave the party when they dye, why can't they do that? They can always join you when they finish the death quest. I usualy do that to hide metagaming information anyway (my alignment).
- You can always be a scholar of Vorin and decide to study the alimentary behave of ogres (specialy effective when studying those that likes halflings).

(Don't forget to join the party while you take notes.)

Something more about alignment:
Couldn't the script check if you are already that alignment? An example: the chaotic shift when you steal; could it change your alignment only till it gets to chaotic and then stop? It would be nice to make those titles realy mean that the player is RPing his character well. It's too easy to become 0/0. I think it should be easy to become CE, but to be the worst kind of person on Avlis should be dificult. Remember that it is a penalty to change a lawful character alignment to chaotic, but it's a reward to do this with a chaotic character.
Why the death quest for paladins don't change their alignment too?

Enverex · Post by **Enverex** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 9:55 pm

Thats a good question: How do you change your alignment from Chaotic to Lawful?

I mean others are obvious:
Lawful to Chaotic : Steal
Good to Evil : Kill nice NPCs
Evil to Good: Do nice quests
Chaotic to Lawful : ??????

Never seen anything around for it.

Nightshade · Post by **Nightshade** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 10:02 pm

Look harder.

szabot · Post by **szabot** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 10:06 pm

Enverex wrote:Thats a good question: How do you change your alignment from Chaotic to Lawful?

I mean others are obvious:
Lawful to Chaotic : Steal
Good to Evil : Kill nice NPCs
Evil to Good: Do nice quests
Chaotic to Lawful : ??????

Never seen anything around for it.

Nightshade wrote:Look harder.

I've seen this issue come up a few times, and each time someone answer that way. Lots of help. Thanks.

En, apparently there's a way to do it out there. I don't know where. But, obviously, it's much harder than any of the other shifts.

Dralix · Post by **Dralix** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 10:28 pm

A question like that isn't likely to be answered OOC on the boards.

However, if you asked around in game for a way to maybe, atone for your lawless past, someone might just point you in the right direction.

Fuzz · Post by **Fuzz** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 10:51 pm

ArmoredSaint wrote:CG is the "Rebel"

Can you resize your avatar image? It's too big and is breaking teh forum formatting.

Drysh · Post by **Drysh** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 11:09 pm

Dralix wrote:A question like that isn't likely to be answered OOC on the boards.

However, if you asked around in game for a way to maybe, atone for your lawless past, someone might just point you in the right direction.

Not even an OOC clue?

Zip Nolan · Post by **Zip Nolan** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 11:11 pm

I've been having an aligment problem to wit:-

my rogue has ended up 100 good, 48 neutral , how do I play that I'm trying the robin hood role at the mo I only steal form the nobles district (well sometimes a wee bit from the government, as their all b?strds anyway) but finding the giving to the poor a bit of a problem

Fuzz · Post by **Fuzz** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 12:19 am

Zip Nolan wrote:I've been having an aligment problem to wit:-

my rogue has ended up 100 good, 48 neutral , how do I play that I'm trying the robin hood role at the mo I only steal form the nobles district (well sometimes a wee bit from the government, as their all b?strds anyway) but finding the giving to the poor a bit of a problem

Personally, I'd say Chaotic Neutral, Neutral Evil, or possibly Chaotic Evil... rationale:

Chaotic Neutral because you're stealing... you also don't seem to care that much either way. Personally, think this is your best bet.

Neutral Evil simply because your character is still being selfish and looking out for himself... doesn't matter if he only steals from nobles, he's stealing and keeping it for himself. That's NE.

Chaotic Evil is meh... if you qualify for the other 2 Alignments, depending on how you look at it, it would make sense to cross the two and that would be your ending Alignment... Chaotic because you steal, but Evil because you're seflish and greedy... I don't really agree with that, since he's intentionally not stealing from the poor, and furthermore that logic doesn't work with alignments. (The add them together logic)

I would say NG isn't an option, simply because your character is doing nothing for the greater good... if he's stealing from the rich, but then not actually giving to the poor, where's teh greater good in that? Thus you'd be Neutral Evil, since you're doing it for your own good.

On the other side, you could say he takes the laws into his own hands, and thus steals to help people. Thus, Chaotic Good. Problem there is, again, he's not giving the money to the poor. As such, he's not being good... nor is he technically being Evil, since he's more interested in just breaking the law. hence, Chaotic Neutral.

Depending on which way you look at it and want him to RP out, those would be my two possible picks - NE or CN.

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