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Post by **Alexandru Stanicu** » Thu Dec 25, 2003 9:25 pm

As you know the Avlis team has blocked access to all of the PrC's excet via quests that we are in the process of getting in.
There are some PrC's that are never going to be offered in Avlis at all, as they do not fit in, such as Red Dragon Disciple and Champion of Torm.
We have blocked said PrC's but if by some chance you are still offered one of these PrC's, do not take it.
Taking one will reseult in your losing enough levels to remove the forbidden class, and may result in other actions.

Just incase this is not clear enough, Do not take a level in a PrC that you have not done a quest to get. Doing so is considered exploiting a coding problem.

-Alexandru Stanicu
Avlis Team, Senior DM

Snorri Elfslayer · Post by **Snorri Elfslayer** » Fri Dec 26, 2003 6:09 pm

Lucky I read this, nearly took a level in Dwarven Defender...

*Wipes Forehead*

[EDIT]

You will be keeping the HotU Craft Armor and Craft Weapon skills wont you?

Snorri is a Blacksmith so Ive taken 4 levels in one and two in the other, and im hoping that it wasnt a waste.

Post by **Alexandru Stanicu** » Fri Dec 26, 2003 7:03 pm

Snorri Elfslayer wrote:Lucky I read this, nearly took a level in Dwarven Defender...

*Wipes Forehead*

[EDIT]

You will be keeping the HotU Craft Armor and Craft Weapon skills wont you?

Snorri is a Blacksmith so Ive taken 4 levels in one and two in the other, and im hoping that it wasnt a waste.

No we will not be using the crafting from Bioware as we already have our own crafting. I am fairly sure that this was announced in another thread somewhere.

Titanium Dragon · Post by **Titanium Dragon** » Fri Dec 26, 2003 8:15 pm

It very much was announced in another thread.

Soulbinder · Post by **Soulbinder** » Fri Dec 26, 2003 9:48 pm

didnt orleron said that it is possible to pick these classes (especially the red dragon disciple) on one of the other linked worlds and that it is ok to play them on avlis ??

links:
viewtopic.php?t=22464&highlight=red+dragon+disciple

viewtopic.php?t=23970&highlight=red+dragon+disciple

Vanor · Post by **Vanor** » Fri Dec 26, 2003 9:50 pm

Soulbinder wrote:didnt orleron said that it is possible to pick these classes (especially the red dragon disciple) on one of the other linked worlds and that it is ok to play them on avlis ??

Yes, if you start a character on a CoPaP world, that allows a given PrC, you are able to contiune taking levels in it on Avlis.

On Avlis we simply stop you from taking the 1st lvl in a PrC, we don't stop you from continuning to level up.

GreyLynx · Post by **GreyLynx** » Fri Dec 26, 2003 9:53 pm

Yes, if a class is available on another world, you may start it there, and continue to level up in that class if you happen to come to Avlis. All the limitations described in the first post by Alex about taking a class specifically refer to initiating that class for your character.

KinX · Post by **KinX** » Fri Dec 26, 2003 10:15 pm

it's already been said, but i may as well repeat it:

travelling to another world simply to take a level in a PrC then returning to Avlis is frowned on and so don't do it.

Vergilius · Post by **Vergilius** » Sat Dec 27, 2003 1:52 am

KinX wrote:it's already been said, but i may as well repeat it:

travelling to another world simply to take a level in a PrC then returning to Avlis is frowned on and so don't do it.

very good reminder, although I think Vanor covered this in his above post when he said START a character on another COPAP world.

Fuzz · Post by **Fuzz** » Sat Dec 27, 2003 3:15 am

Unfortunately, a lot of people are taking their chars to other worlds, starting up the new PrC, and then returning to Avlis to continue their trend. Now of course the PrCs are RPed from the other world, but still... kinda ruins the fun.

As such, if you're all set to take your next level in a PrC, are really close to level, and don't want to waste time basically being stagnant, I would suggest you just keep playing without actually levelling up. You'll keep incurring exp and, depending on how long you have to wait, could even stock up a few levels worth of exp.

Sure, there's no real way to RP gaining 2 or 3 levels all at once, but we're limited by the game mechanics, and it would be a real shame if everyone that wanted a PrC just went to another CoPaP world and got it there, rather than do the quests that the team is working so hard on to make interesting.

Just a thought.

sly_1 · Post by **sly_1** » Sat Dec 27, 2003 4:22 pm

Alexandru Stanicu wrote:As you know the Avlis team has blocked access to all of the PrC's excet via quests that we are in the process of getting in.
There are some PrC's that are never going to be offered in Avlis at all, as they do not fit in, such as Red Dragon Disciple and Champion of Torm.
We have blocked said PrC's but if by some chance you are still offered one of these PrC's, do not take it.
Taking one will reseult in your losing enough levels to remove the forbidden class, and may result in other actions.

Just incase this is not clear enough, Do not take a level in a PrC that you have not done a quest to get. Doing so is considered exploiting a coding problem.

-Alexandru Stanicu
Avlis Team, Senior DM

Regarding the CoT, I read somewhere that Bioware wanted to do the generic "divine champion" PrC, but WoTC said they couldn't do it, so Bioware renamed it "champion of Torm" in order to make it more forgotten realms-ish. The class is supposedly a direct translation of a generic, non-diety specific PrC renamed in order to conform to WoTC's wishes.

Given all that, any way to rename the class "divine champion", let people obtain it on Avlis now that it's not FR specific, and call it a day? I doubt it'll happen on account of all the custom divine champion PrC's in Avlis, just curious.

kokobil · Post by **kokobil** » Sat Dec 27, 2003 7:26 pm

As I see it the Champion of Torm is a holy champion class so it would be nice to see taken by holy personalities of Avlis good or evil or neutral . What i am saying here is that the PrC's that are custom on Avlis should be basically Champions of Torm with other names and the extra abilities you have already given to the specific classes.
Example:

Champion of Maleki , Chamion of Gorethar , Champion of O MA etc

The Avlis custom PrC's i think they have not much success (players don't take them , I actually have seen a very scarce number of players taking them because they are not offering anything particulary good.
So i would advice ,and sorry if sounds harsh, to erase the custom Avlis PrC's and be changed to the above. These champions would be specific for each alignment and would have some different extra abilities as the custom Avlis PrC's already have.

GreyLynx · Post by **GreyLynx** » Sat Dec 27, 2003 7:29 pm

I thought the reason they hadn't been taken yet is that the quests that unlock them aren't available yet, and that once they are available there will be quite a few Holy Warrior types besides the paladin running around.

Vergilius · Post by **Vergilius** » Sat Dec 27, 2003 7:31 pm

sly_1 wrote:
Regarding the CoT, I read somewhere that Bioware wanted to do the generic "divine champion" PrC, but WoTC said they couldn't do it, so Bioware renamed it "champion of Torm" in order to make it more forgotten realms-ish. The class is supposedly a direct translation of a generic, non-diety specific PrC renamed in order to conform to WoTC's wishes.

Given all that, any way to rename the class "divine champion", let people obtain it on Avlis now that it's not FR specific, and call it a day? I doubt it'll happen on account of all the custom divine champion PrC's in Avlis, just curious.

This seems like a logical and imaginitive possibility, BUT Orleron has said in the past that he is a stickler for the EXACT WORDING of the class you have on your character sheet, and I don't know if its possible to change the wording into something Avlis appropriate. Two things would have to be considered in that regard: 1. is it possible to code? 2. Is it worth the man-hours for one of our coders to go in and change it?

And I'd assume since the other Holy warriors have already been made, that the team wouldn't see the need to do all the editing. It is most probable that you'll just have to live with COT being out, per Alex's post above, but it never hurts to ask.

Sunscream · Post by **Sunscream** » Sat Dec 27, 2003 7:37 pm

sly_1 wrote: Given all that, any way to rename the class "divine champion", let people obtain it on Avlis now that it's not FR specific, and call it a day? I doubt it'll happen on account of all the custom divine champion PrC's in Avlis, just curious.

Only the great nine have holy warriors, and those classes have already been put in the game, there isn't a need for another.

Flakey · Post by **Flakey** » Sat Dec 27, 2003 7:46 pm

kokobil wrote:The Avlis custom PrC's i think they have not much success (players don't take them , I actually have seen a very scarce number of players taking them because they are not offering anything particulary good.
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If you look at the metagamming aspect of them, they are not that good, but there are many people waiting for the quests to go in to become one, because of the rp potential, and how they see their character.

Vergilius · Post by **Vergilius** » Sat Dec 27, 2003 8:13 pm

kokobil wrote:The Avlis custom PrC's i think they have not much success (players don't take them , I actually have seen a very scarce number of players taking them because they are not offering anything particulary good.
.

to my knowledge, people don't take the avlis custom PrCs because the quests aren't done yet. IT is a bit of a let-down I imagine. As soon as Orl released the data on them, 10 people at least went ballistic about how cool they were and its what they envisioned for their character. Now 6 months later, the quests are still in the works. Lets hope they make it in soon as the number of dissillusioned players is only going to rise over time.

kokobil · Post by **kokobil** » Sat Dec 27, 2003 8:40 pm

What i meant to say is that it would be a pity for this class to be lost for Avlis just because it has not a nice name. So i thought that with another name it would feat and since the custom PrC's are underpowered it would be cool to be implemented over this class : Champion of Torm

Nob · Post by **Nob** » Sat Dec 27, 2003 9:01 pm

sly_1 wrote: Regarding the CoT, I read somewhere that Bioware wanted to do the generic "divine champion" PrC, but WoTC said they couldn't do it, so Bioware renamed it "champion of Torm" in order to make it more forgotten realms-ish. The class is supposedly a direct translation of a generic, non-diety specific PrC renamed in order to conform to WoTC's wishes.

Given all that, any way to rename the class "divine champion", let people obtain it on Avlis now that it's not FR specific, and call it a day? I doubt it'll happen on account of all the custom divine champion PrC's in Avlis, just curious.

"Divine Champion" might be a good PrC for the non-Avlis native Greater Gods, and maybe as an extra PrC for paladins. "Hammer of Gorethar"?

Emprod · Post by **Emprod** » Sat Dec 27, 2003 9:55 pm

kokobil wrote:n So i thought that with another name it would feat and since the custom PrC's are underpowered it would be cool to be implemented over this class : Champion of Torm

Underpowered? You realize that on top of the nice special abilities, they level with the BAB of fighters, and most are going to be multiclassed clerics which are pretty damned capable of taking care of themselves as-is?

Post by **Alexandru Stanicu** » Sat Dec 27, 2003 10:18 pm

No. The PrC's stand as they are.
This was to be a simple rules reminder... so enough discussion on an topic here.

Titanium Dragon · Post by **Titanium Dragon** » Sat Dec 27, 2003 10:19 pm

There is no need for Champions of Torm on Avlis; we already have eight PrCs for the greater gods and one standard class (paladin). The Champion of Torm would be a totally unnecessary addition under its own or any other name.

Post by **Alexandru Stanicu** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 9:29 pm

Alexandru Stanicu wrote:As you know the Avlis team has blocked access to all of the PrC's excet via quests that we are in the process of getting in.
There are some PrC's that are never going to be offered in Avlis at all, as they do not fit in, such as Red Dragon Disciple and Champion of Torm.
We have blocked said PrC's but if by some chance you are still offered one of these PrC's, do not take it.
Taking one will reseult in your losing enough levels to remove the forbidden class, and may result in other actions.

Just incase this is not clear enough, Do not take a level in a PrC that you have not done a quest to get. Doing so is considered exploiting a coding problem.

Let me say again:
Do not take a level in a PrC that you have not done a quest to get. Doing so is considered exploiting a coding problem.Taking one will result in your losing enough levels to remove the forbidden class, and may result in other actions. (possibly not getting the removed level/levels back and/or this)

-Alexandru Stanicu
Avlis Team, Senior DM

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