PADRIR: New Territorial (Political) Map

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Post by Aradan Kir » Mon Jun 30, 2003 5:40 pm

Dirk Cutlass wrote:I can't make out Elyisa - my geography tells me it's on the coast on the North East of T'Nanshi, but according to the map there isn't any coast there - unless there's just a big river!
I think Elysia is NW T'Nanshi, but wierdly there is no sea there. Perhaps it's a big lake ?!
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Post by Jordicus » Mon Jun 30, 2003 5:44 pm

:P a few posts up you can see this from me:
Elysia is located on the eastern edge of Ferrell, across a lake in fact. Lake Eridanus. There is a river that runs from the lake down to the inlet south
That is taken right from the World Information threads. So yes, Elysia is in Northwest T'nanshi
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Post by Orleron » Mon Jun 30, 2003 8:50 pm

Ah very nice map. It's coming along well.

Ok, you wanted some corrections...

1) Galdos does not go out to the east the way you have it there. Between the southern border of Jechran and Drotid is a swampy wasteland area called The Wastelands. This is all that blackish gray area on my map.

2) Deglos is drawn 100% correctly in your last rendition.

3) The Seven Cities is a city state, and it does control a small amount of land between all the cities. That is shown pretty clearly on my map, I think.

4) The dot in the middle of the Kurathene Empire is the city of Kuras.

5) Ferrell can be spelled with one OR two L's. The halflings aren't big on spelling. :)
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Post by Imnadune » Mon Jun 30, 2003 9:36 pm

Orleron wrote: 1) Galdos does not go out to the east the way you have it there. Between the southern border of Jechran and Drotid is a swampy wasteland area called The Wastelands. This is all that blackish gray area on my map.
So you're saying that The Wastelands are not currently claimed by anyone, is this correct? I will see what I can do about this.
Orleron wrote: 4) The dot in the middle of the Kurathene Empire is the city of Kuras.
Noted. Thank you.
Orleron wrote: 5) Ferrell can be spelled with one OR two L's. The halflings aren't big on spelling. :)
That definitely clears things up! :)
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Post by Imnadune » Mon Jun 30, 2003 9:47 pm

Is this correct?

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Post by maxinion » Mon Jun 30, 2003 9:51 pm

you didn't put Seven Cities in yet. Wastelands may be too big... wait for Orleron.
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Post by Imnadune » Mon Jun 30, 2003 9:52 pm

maxguy25 wrote:you didn't put Seven Cities in yet. Wastelands may be too big... wait for Orleron.
Check again, I just made an update.
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Post by maxinion » Mon Jun 30, 2003 9:56 pm

Hehe, I had been commenting on that one. Still no Seven Cities. :lol: Regardless, its looking good. IIRC, Wastelands weren't that big, but Orleron's call, not mine.
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Post by Imnadune » Mon Jun 30, 2003 10:05 pm

reload the page, the seven cities should be there.
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Post by maxinion » Mon Jun 30, 2003 10:39 pm

Ah yes, on a different comp and it works. Good job.
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Post by Imnadune » Mon Jun 30, 2003 11:46 pm

maxguy25 wrote:Ah yes, on a different comp and it works. Good job.
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Post by Orleron » Tue Jul 01, 2003 4:03 am

Almost there!

Bring the southern border of Jechran to be even with the southernmost lattitude of Galdos.
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Post by Imnadune » Tue Jul 01, 2003 6:24 am

http://colorscape.net/avlis/maps/territorialmap.html

If you don't see anything different from the last time, reload your browser!

Please, please, please, tell me this is correct!
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Post by Orleron » Tue Jul 01, 2003 11:11 am

Yep, that looks like it's good. Would you be able to add some sort of scale bar someplace?
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Post by Spell Singer » Tue Jul 01, 2003 12:17 pm

A point about Mikona it should be due south of where you show it and on the coast. I asked about this a long time back when setting up my characters background and was told there was nothing south of Mikona but ocean by Orl. Now frankly where you have Mikona is where I would have thought it would be but then the server makes no sense as there is no area of the server south of the passage to Mikona and that is fairly close to the middle of the country. That great beutiful bay is absolutely wasted as near as I can see since west shore is north of it and the only thing near it seems to be the bandit canyon.

Now maybe things have changed...dunno.

Also Elysia is on the shores of a big lake that is feeding a river that runs to the ocean.

I also must admit that the geography in the orginal map is not something I agree with as it is largely unrealistic but that is neither here nor there.
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Post by Orleron » Tue Jul 01, 2003 1:49 pm

Mikona is in that bay, but I have not made any effort to create any of thos two peninsulas that come down and around Mikona mainly because it would have been too confusing. It's something that may be built in later, possibly. But right now there is nothing south of Mikona that is accessible.

Why do you think my geography is unrealistic Spell Singer? How much do you know about geography that you are qualified to say that? If you have a landmass that exists on the border between two tectonic plates that are moving into one another, you'll get a mountain range in the middle. The volcanic activity generated by it will tend to spread the land around it a bit producing big delta's like M'Check. Also if you assume a west to east weather pattern like on Earth, you'll get a drier west coast and a wetter east coast as the air is lifted by the mountain range and cooled. Hence you have jungles and swamps on the east coast near Jechran.

The planet that Avlis sits on is Earth sized. Tyedu sits at about 20 degrees north lattitude at its very tip, which puts M'Chek at about 50 degrees roughly. The weather patterns in M"Chek should make sense as is, and if you estimate a current of warm water coming up from the south off the coast of Drotid, you'll be able to explain the warmer wet jungle areas in that place without much of a problem.
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Post by ds77 » Tue Jul 01, 2003 1:54 pm

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Post by ashzz » Tue Jul 01, 2003 2:10 pm

hoho! a real map!

good work!

now, we have the political map, when do we get the geographic one?

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Post by Spell Singer » Tue Jul 01, 2003 2:22 pm

Orl, you want to discuss this privately please send me a PM and we can, if not it is no big deal.
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Post by Imnadune » Tue Jul 01, 2003 3:44 pm

ashzz wrote: now, we have the political map, when do we get the geographic one?
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I'll start soon. I just wanted to make sure that everything else was perfect before I moved on. It is difficult to constantly change one map and have it also affect other maps.
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Post by Silk » Tue Sep 09, 2003 1:29 pm

I'd like to make clear that we retain all our rights to Avlis intellectual property.

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Post by Fuzz » Tue Sep 09, 2003 5:18 pm

On the subject of geography, can we get a relative idea of where the equator would be in relation to Avlis? We had a discussion in IRC on whether or not the Continent was equatorial... varying opinions ranged from the entire continent being to the north (and therefore M'Chek is furthest south, and the warmest... fits with Tyedu but doesn't explain Drotid) to my thought that the equator would fall across the continent, slightly below the center, roughly straight through Dubunat and Drotid... explains how Tyedu is a frozen wilderness, Drotid maintains a humid swamp-like climate, and M'Chek would roughly be on par, climate-wise, with Texas... relatively warm grasslands where it rarely, if ever, snows. Problem is T'Nanshi and Ferrell, both temperate forest regions, which sort of don't fit.


Or maybe I'm just completely wrong, and Drotid is more like Jersey marshes, in which case I really pity the Kobolds even more than I pity all those people that live in the Meadowlands sprawl... (screw you, Heldor! :twisted: )

Equator would lie to the south then, thus Kurathene has a rather Northern Europe/Baltic climate in most areas, with Tyedu having a northern Scandinavian climate, M'Chek is similar to Florida/Mexico, Deglos mountain range kind of mirrors the Rockies in terms of the climate change, and the Seven Cities and that region of Dubunat and Brekon would have a pretty Mediterranean climate.... in which case T'Nanshi and Ferrell still sort of don't fit, as do the distances, since I was under the impression that the length of Avlis from North to South was around 9600 km, (~6000 miles) which, if the planet is the same size as the Earth, would put Tyedu up near the pole somewhere, way north of any normally habitable areas...


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Post by Manuel the White » Tue Sep 09, 2003 5:54 pm

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Post by Fuzz » Tue Sep 09, 2003 6:02 pm

Orleron wrote:The planet that Avlis sits on is Earth sized. Tyedu sits at about 20 degrees north lattitude at its very tip, which puts M'Chek at about 50 degrees roughly. The weather patterns in M"Chek should make sense as is, and if you estimate a current of warm water coming up from the south off the coast of Drotid, you'll be able to explain the warmer wet jungle areas in that place without much of a problem.
Nevermind my other post... sort of makes sense...
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