Holy Warrior Ordination

miyafawyn · Post by **miyafawyn** » Tue May 17, 2005 7:10 pm

Talwin Hawkins wrote:
Orleron wrote:This should be in the player's guide and/or the wiki. Orl is hoping those two documents can cut down on the number of stickies here.

But in this case it's been posted in the World Info forums ages ago.

viewtopic.php?t=19536

...did you just speak about yourself as the 3rd person?

Orl, Boss Sir, you need some sleep!

Demonseed · Post by **Demonseed** » Sun May 22, 2005 11:10 pm

A quick question about the Avengers. My main has, IC, spoken to a number of Dru'Els devout on his travels and would like to become an Avenger. Only trouble is, he's a fighter and the only class that can become an Avenger looks like it's a ranger (because of the Animal Empathy skill that's only open to Rangers or Druids and I can't see a Druid wanting to become an Avenger because they are the wrong alignment for one thing.)

Would it be frowned upon to take one level of Ranger to get access to that skill?

I'd end up having to take the multiclass XP hit as I doubt I'd take more than the one level as a ranger and my build isn't suited to ranger anyway so I'd make a pretty crap one.

I don't know that I'd really want to create a ranger char as it's my main that has had the conversations etc and it's him I'd like to become one (plus I don't really have time to play more than one char at the moment)

I await your thoughts with interest

Aloro · Post by **Aloro** » Sun May 22, 2005 11:28 pm

Demonseed wrote:A quick question about the Avengers. My main has, IC, spoken to a number of Dru'Els devout on his travels and would like to become an Avenger. Only trouble is, he's a fighter and the only class that can become an Avenger looks like it's a ranger (because of the Animal Empathy skill that's only open to Rangers or Druids and I can't see a Druid wanting to become an Avenger because they are the wrong alignment for one thing.)

Would it be frowned upon to take one level of Ranger to get access to that skill?

I'd end up having to take the multiclass XP hit as I doubt I'd take more than the one level as a ranger and my build isn't suited to ranger anyway so I'd make a pretty crap one.

I don't know that I'd really want to create a ranger char as it's my main that has had the conversations etc and it's him I'd like to become one (plus I don't really have time to play more than one char at the moment)

I await your thoughts with interest

The Holy Warriors are currently being reviewed and rebalanced, and this may involve changes in prerequisites. I'd advise holding off a bit on any decisions about a Holy Warrior class.

With that said, the Avenger was the first class to be reviewed, and if the changes are all approved, we're hoping to get the updated class into the next hakpak update.

- Aloro

Demonseed · Post by **Demonseed** » Sun May 22, 2005 11:32 pm

w00t !!!!
thankyouthankyouthankyou !!!
that would be utterly fabulous if it happens. I've got nearly enough of the pre-requisites to go for it apart from animal Empathy and I think the Avenger will give some excellent opportunities for rp

KeirannHalcynn · Post by **KeirannHalcynn** » Mon May 23, 2005 5:12 pm

Demonseed wrote:
I'd end up having to take the multiclass XP hit

whoa!!! what is this all about? could someone please describe to me what this means.....

......on a side note.....i can't wait to be an Avenger......

Demonseed · Post by **Demonseed** » Mon May 23, 2005 6:06 pm

Currently I'm a level 7 fighter. If I take a level in Ranger and then start taking levels in Avenger, I'd have to keep the ranger and avenger within 1 level of each other or I get a 20% XP penalty (the fighter doesn't count as it's my highest level and for a human, that doesn't count towards the multiclass penalty)

I'd not take more than one level of Ranger so I'd always lose 20% exp as the two classes wouldn't be balanced.

(looks like this might not be a problem if they are looking at rebalancing the PrCs - I just have to wait and find out what the prerequisites are now)

KeirannHalcynn · Post by **KeirannHalcynn** » Mon May 23, 2005 10:36 pm

with my char i started as Ranger then i leveled once as fighter and i'm gonna level everything else as ranger. how bad will that be?

Demonseed · Post by **Demonseed** » Tue May 24, 2005 7:21 am

sounds to me like you'd get the 20% XP penalty when you start taking levels as an Avenger. I don't know what race your Char is so I couldn't tell you what the favoured class is. I could be wrong about that though. If I am, someone will correct me

loki70 · Post by **loki70** » Tue May 24, 2005 7:24 am

Demonseed wrote:sounds to me like you'd get the 20% XP penalty when you start taking levels as an Avenger. I don't know what race your Char is so I couldn't tell you what the favoured class is. I could be wrong about that though. If I am, someone will correct me

PrCs don't have the xp penalty, only base classes. That is one of the things that was hashed out when Psions came on, since it had to be implimented as a PrC.

If you are human, no 20%. You might run into problems if you don't keep the base classes close, though.

Demonseed · Post by **Demonseed** » Tue May 24, 2005 7:32 am

I didn't realise that. I thought it was all the classes not just the base ones counted for the penalty. Thanks for clearing that one up

Demonseed · Post by **Demonseed** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 11:25 am

Any news on the updated requirements for the PrCs yet ?

I've got a level up coming in about 6K and I wouldn't mind taking some of the requirements if I can or at least knowing what they are so I can decide one way or the other.

Feel free to tell me to sod off if they aren't ready yet

BeyondZork · Post by **BeyondZork** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 9:55 pm

My only question about the Prestige Classes is why do they have to focus on a specific weapon? To become a Champion my monk would have to focus on short sword and two weapon fighting? Suerly he could be a defender of O'Ma (I think that's the Champion Deity) without using two short swords, right?

I'm sure there is a reason for this, I'm not criticizing, just wondering. Thanks!

Significant Owl · Post by **Significant Owl** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 10:02 pm

The reason is that the particular weapon is part of the training you recieve as a holy warrior of a god, I believe..

Demonseed · Post by **Demonseed** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 11:37 am

One question springs to mind about the prerequisites. If one of them is say Hide 5 ranks and I manage to get that and then manage to get the class unlocked will anything bad happen if I were to strap on full plate with an armour check penalty of -8 which will drop the Hide skill well below what is needed ? or does it only take account of the base skill level without modifiers ?

I hope that made sense

DanishPastry · Post by **DanishPastry** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 11:42 am

Demonseed wrote:- will anything bad happen if I were to strap on full plate with an armour check penalty of -8 which will drop the Hide skill well below what is needed ?
- or does it only take account of the base skill level without modifiers ?

- No.
- Only the ranks you put into the skill counts.

Demonseed · Post by **Demonseed** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 12:03 pm

Oh great - that was how I was hoping it would work. Ta muchly

loki70 · Post by **loki70** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 8:50 am

*bump* Any word on this yet? Some rumors I am getting make me worry. I think, if things go wrong, I may have to either remake my whole character, or just scrap the alt I am working on and stick to the main

Deider · Post by **Deider** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:20 pm

loki70 wrote:*bump* Any word on this yet? Some rumors I am getting make me worry. I think, if things go wrong, I may have to either remake my whole character, or just scrap the alt I am working on and stick to the main

If by "this" you mean the retooling of the Avlis holy warrior PrCs, Aloro is working on it. 1 team member + 7 custom PrCs + the input of 7 player-run holy order guilds = this doesn't get done yesterday.

loki70 · Post by **loki70** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:25 pm

Deider wrote:
loki70 wrote:*bump* Any word on this yet? Some rumors I am getting make me worry. I think, if things go wrong, I may have to either remake my whole character, or just scrap the alt I am working on and stick to the main
If by "this" you mean the retooling of the Avlis holy warrior PrCs, Aloro is working on it. 1 team member + 7 custom PrCs + the input of 7 player-run holy order guilds = this doesn't get done yesterday.

Thanks. More or less what I was looking for. Last I heard 3 were done in the design phase, and 4 were waiting for the player input.