Regarding monsters and NPC's that disarm.

AyounTheDark · Post by **AyounTheDark** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:42 pm

Hey.

I just experienced a Disarm on one of my characters, and for some reason my weapon didn't drop on the ground. And as result, I couldn't hurt the badass I was fighting. (Furthermore, the companion I was with crashed, and is atm unable to get back in)

Should the weapon not be dropped on the ground?

Or does the opponent (in this case the beast) "steal" it until you kill it?

Final Shinryuu · Post by **Final Shinryuu** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:46 pm

If the PC or NPC initiating the Disarm has the Improved Disarm Feat and is unarmed, the weapon is unequipped and taken into their inventory, rather than dropped to the ground.

AyounTheDark · Post by **AyounTheDark** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:48 pm

Final Shinryuu wrote:If the PC or NPC initiating the Disarm has the Improved Disarm Feat and is unarmed, the weapon is unequipped and taken into their inventory, rather than dropped to the ground.

Ouch! Hells!

I guess I'll have to wait until Log will be able to get back in

Ferk that sux.

Marc van Gaal · Post by **Marc van Gaal** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:49 pm

sorry!!

xarthna · Post by **xarthna** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:19 pm

Back with the Gnolls? Bet it's easier today than it was Monday

Final Shinryuu · Post by **Final Shinryuu** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:28 pm

This is a question on game mechanics. It should be in the General Discussions forum. Could someone please move it?

Post by **Jazz** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:32 pm

Moved, so answer ahead

Fire Monkey · Post by **Fire Monkey** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:37 pm

Final Shinryuu wrote:If the PC or NPC initiating the Disarm has the Improved Disarm Feat and is unarmed, the weapon is unequipped and taken into their inventory, rather than dropped to the ground.

Yikes I never knew that. I assume that it will be kept in their inventory so if you kill them you can get it back again?

Drac · Post by **Drac** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:45 pm

Fire Monkey wrote:
Final Shinryuu wrote:If the PC or NPC initiating the Disarm has the Improved Disarm Feat and is unarmed, the weapon is unequipped and taken into their inventory, rather than dropped to the ground.
Yikes I never knew that. I assume that it will be kept in their inventory so if you kill them you can get it back again?

Is that new? A couple of months ago, my character was disarmed by an dm controled warrior mummy and my sword was on the ground. Maybe the mummy only has disarm?

Marleh · Post by **Marleh** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:50 pm

Fire Monkey wrote:
Final Shinryuu wrote:If the PC or NPC initiating the Disarm has the Improved Disarm Feat and is unarmed, the weapon is unequipped and taken into their inventory, rather than dropped to the ground.
Yikes I never knew that. I assume that it will be kept in their inventory so if you kill them you can get it back again?

You hope. And you still have to kill the thing somehow.

Fire Monkey · Post by **Fire Monkey** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 4:13 pm

Marleh wrote:
Fire Monkey wrote:
Final Shinryuu wrote:If the PC or NPC initiating the Disarm has the Improved Disarm Feat and is unarmed, the weapon is unequipped and taken into their inventory, rather than dropped to the ground.
Yikes I never knew that. I assume that it will be kept in their inventory so if you kill them you can get it back again?
You hope. And you still have to kill the thing somehow.

Headbut sneak attack!

AyounTheDark · Post by **AyounTheDark** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:03 pm

xarthna wrote:Back with the Gnolls? Bet it's easier today than it was Monday

Heh. Nope. These guys fought unarmed, and obviously with improved disarm. Nasty biatches. I cried. A little bit. Not out loud, and only ooc.

And worst thing was, after it had taken my damn weapon I couldn't hurt the freak. How sux0r is that.

Kerrick · Post by **Kerrick** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:14 pm

What about plot weapons? I was sparring with another PC the other day, and he disarmed my plot sword, which ended up on the ground, thankfully. But, if an NPC monk disarms me, would my plot sword end up in his inventory, or on the ground? And if the server reset, would I get any disarmed weapons back, or are they permanently gone?

Final Shinryuu · Post by **Final Shinryuu** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:22 pm

Kerrick wrote:What about plot weapons? I was sparring with another PC the other day, and he disarmed my plot sword, which ended up on the ground, thankfully. But, if an NPC monk disarms me, would my plot sword end up in his inventory, or on the ground? And if the server reset, would I get any disarmed weapons back, or are they permanently gone?

If the disarming PC or NPC has the Improved Disarm feat and is unarmed, your weapon will end up in their inventory.

If it's an NPC and you don't kill them, or leave the area and they despawn? Gone.

Darkfire · Post by **Darkfire** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:23 pm

Kerrick wrote:What about plot weapons? I was sparring with another PC the other day, and he disarmed my plot sword, which ended up on the ground, thankfully. But, if an NPC monk disarms me, would my plot sword end up in his inventory, or on the ground? And if the server reset, would I get any disarmed weapons back, or are they permanently gone?

IMO, I think it would be more fair if NPC's only had regular disarm to avoid stuff like that. If the server was to reset during a regular fight, chances are that the last save point will have you with your item.

Secondly, there are to many factors like despawning, server crashing, resets etc... all things that will basically delete the item, taking away the IC chance that you had to get the item back.

and ouch, heh. Not being able to kill it afterwards, makes me want to make sure I have some back up weapons to hack anything that takes my first one.

PsiOmega · Post by **PsiOmega** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:24 pm

Plot weapons are not protected from Disarm in any way and it would end up on the ground or in the NPC's inventory depending on if he had Disarm or Improved Disarm respectively.

The current policy is that we don't restore single lost items but Plot items might get an exception, as they're not normally not supposed to disappear, but only if a DM is willing to take the time.

mortzestus · Post by **mortzestus** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 5:53 am

A while ago unarmed NPCs with the Improved Disarm feat were to be considered a bug because of the unfairness of it. Uncer certain circumstances the creature could despawn and your weapon would be gone forever. Quoting myself here, but hey, these are the only links i've found in public boards.

http://www.blackdagger.com/viewtopic.php?t=59602
http://www.blackdagger.com/viewtopic.php?t=70762

I remember that Jonezie had to remove the Improved Disarm feat from some crabs in Mikona when a player lost like three weapons to one of them.

Li'll Divvil · Post by **Li'll Divvil** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 12:45 pm

I love monks then, I guess I need to start collecting weapons...for my store....