DM told me my character Tonto Kemosabe was not proper name

othotbail · Post by **othotbail** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 11:41 pm

I started a new character named Tonto Kemosabe and one of the DM's told me that the name was not proper and they couldn't change it just start a new character. I didn't know it and am happy to start up a new player in any event. I admit I didn't read all the rules. I believe the DM mentioned that I could start another new character with an appropriate name and all the exp, equipment and gp would be transfered to the new character. What I should have done is immediately come back online with a new character and notified the DM but I didn't and I waited a few weeks. I believe the DM talked to me as a bard character named Visconti, or something closr to that. If you could would you transfer all of Tonto Kemosabe, the ranger's, belongings to the new character Tomas DeMeo the fighter or to my main character Otho Wolf the ranger. If I am in error as to what I was told do what you can do for me. I am sort of sick of looking at old Tonto when I log on so could you please delete him or tell me how I can delete him. Thanks in advance for any help you give

Otho Wolf (ranger of small renoun)

Post by **Alexandru Stanicu** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 11:47 pm

Send an email to staff@avlis.org

sinn · Post by **sinn** » Sun Mar 05, 2006 1:26 am

do you know what tonto means in spanish?

TripleAught · Post by **TripleAught** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 1:16 pm

This is being handled.

Defender · Post by **Defender** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 1:23 pm

The Ranger dons a mask and vows revenge – not so much against Cavendish personally as against all who would break the law in such a manner, and begins his travels of the Old West, accompanied by Tonto. Though this Native American was portrayed as an intelligent character who was almost an 'equal' partner to the Ranger in his work, nevertheless the name assigned him by writer Fran Striker is in fact a Spanish (not Native American) term that when applied to an individual is translated as "idiot" or "stupid" (note however that in Spanish dubs, the character is renamed Toro meaning "bull"...)

Found this on Wikipedia, if anyone cares, because frankly, I didnt know this.

Interesting,

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mortzestus · Post by **mortzestus** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 8:51 pm

bensinn wrote:do you know what tonto means in spanish?

I do.

Levis Pie · Post by **Levis Pie** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 8:59 pm

I would also like to know how my chars can be deleted, b/c there are some that I know I haven't played for well over the 90 day mark.

Heronimous Fox · Post by **Heronimous Fox** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:02 pm

As far as I can find

kemosabe is either

an Apache expression for a horse's rear end

or means

Man who makes his shirt wet without running

anyone else know different

Fuzz · Post by **Fuzz** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:14 pm

Heronimous Fox wrote:As far as I can find

kemosabe is either

an Apache expression for a horse's rear end

or means

Man who makes his shirt wet without running

anyone else know different

Nope, that's what it means. THis is why kemosabe was the native american term for the white man.

chamalscuro · Post by **chamalscuro** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:23 pm

We have a Tonto National Forest here in Arizona. Hopefully, it was taken from the show and not the spanish meaning.

Pathos Street · Post by **Pathos Street** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:47 pm

From: http://www.write101.com/kemosabe.htm

Kemo Sabe

What is the meaning of this expression that became such a memorable part of the Lone Ranger series?

Fran Striker, who wrote the scripts, was also the person who answered the fan letters to the Lone Ranger. He always started his replies with... "Ta-i ke-mo sah-bee" ("Greetings trusty scout").

There have been numerous other suggestions regarding the meaning of this term:

Dr. Goddard, of the Smithsonian Institution, was reported as believing that Kemo Sabe was from the Tewa dialect. He supported his contention by calling on the "Ethnogeography of the Tewa Indians" which appeared in the 29th Annual Report of the Bureau of American Ethnology (1916). It seems that in Tewa, "Apache" equates to Sabe and "friend" to Kema.

Jim Jewell, who directed "The Lone Ranger" until 1938 said he'd lifted the term from the name of a boys' camp at Mullet Lake just south of Mackinac, Michigan called Kamp Kee-Mo Sah-Bee. The camp had been established in 1911 by Jewell's father-in-law, Charles Yeager, and operated until about 1940. Translation of kee-mo sah-bee, according to Jewell was "trusty scout."

A scholar from the University of California at Berkley thought that Kemo Sabe came from the Yavapai, a dialect spoken in Arizona and meant "one who is white," since the Ranger always wore a white shirt and trousers in the earliest publicity photos. The Yavapai term is "kinmasaba" or "kinmasabeh"

According to Rob Malouf, a grad student in linguistics at Stanford, there's another possibility: "According to John Nichols' Concise Dictionary of Minnesota Ojibwe, the Ojibwe word `giimoozaabi' means `to peek' (it could also mean `he peeks' or `he who peeks'). Rob continued: "There are several words with the same prefix ["giimooj," secretly] meaning things like `to sneak up on someone'.... It is quite plausible that `giimoozaabi' means something like `scout'.... `Giimoozaabi' is pronounced pretty much the same as `kemosabe' and would have been spelled `Kee Moh Sah Bee' at the turn of the century."

In his book of humour and observation, noted columnist James Smart observes that the New York Public Library defines "Kemo Sabe" as Soggy Shrub. His entertaining collection is appropriately titled "Soggy Shrub Rides Again and other improbabilities."

An interesting side light comes from the son of Fran Striker, "It is usually assumed that Kemo Sabe is how the Ranger refers to Tonto. However, in many of the early radio broadcasts, the Ranger calls Tonto "Kemo Sabe" AND Tonto also calls the Ranger "Kemo Sabe."

Another suggestion has been that Tonto, (whose name means "stupid" according to some interpretations) responded by calling the Lone Ranger "qui no sabe" which roughly translates from Spanish as "he who knows nothing" or "clueless."

One of Gary Larson's Far Side cartoons shows the Lone Ranger looking in an Indian dictionary and discovering that kemosabe is "an Apache expression for a horse's rear end."

the_dragonspeaker · Post by **the_dragonspeaker** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:26 am

Levis Pie wrote:I would also like to know how my chars can be deleted, b/c there are some that I know I haven't played for well over the 90 day mark.

i think i have 20 or more useless since one year on my side, by the way if it can be deleted by the team.. erase all except Edge Dravenmore...