Joining things

Serineth Swiftpaw · Post by **Serineth Swiftpaw** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 1:44 am

I'm trying to actually get involved in things, you know, events that actually mean something, but I am wondering how? I'd rather not join a religious order and start preaching as that makes no IC sense... I may be joining a mage order eventually but that is after a few things I have planned.. but other than that. What groups could I join? (Other than FEAT and the AKN, FEAT I am trying with, and same with the AKN though the AKN won't really open up anything interesting, it already has it's specific token people who do anything interesting that comes up).

Er, for the record, "I" am a Fighter/Mage (only one mage level at the moment though) who is really something around Neutral good, but I'm still trying to work out what alignment makes most sense from Serineths actions.

Thanks to those that I have already talked to so far.

Midknight · Post by **Midknight** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 2:01 am

Start up an adventuring troupe, like FEAT, and meet regularly. Try and get ahold of a DM sponsor if you can and schedule regular events. If you're still under lvl 10, perhaps try a "beginner adventurers guild" open to people under level 10.
In short, start up something to get involved in.

Don't be too worried about not fitting in immediately; it takes some people a while to find their "groove", so to speak, which is usually proportional to the time you spend online.

Aside from FEAT and AKN, you could sign up for the army, if you wish. My advice is if you're still unaffiliated, roam around. Visit all the servers. Get a feeling of who is who. All the servers have a vastly different feel, both in module content and playerbase.

Gairus · Post by **Gairus** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 2:13 am

And try to minimise the insults you level at the groups you're interacting with

it already has it's specific token people who do anything interesting that comes up

Vergilius · Post by **Vergilius** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 2:14 am

If you play Elysia regularly, have an eye to defend it and would like a piece of the fariy war plot, I'd recommend the Elysian Auxuiliary Volunteers.

The real reason for creating the EAV is to give the opportunity to players who for whatever reasons, do not, or cannot, join the EDF. The player-base of Elysia is enormous and I think all players are deserving of the opportunity to defend the city on a grander scale. Of course, this is an opportunity, I cannot nor will I try to control what players do with their actions, but I can extend invitations to participate in the plot and see if there are any takers.

Fuzz · Post by **Fuzz** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 2:24 am

Serineth Swiftpaw wrote:I'd rather not join a religious order and start preaching as that makes no IC sense...

Just for public reference, keep in mind that you DON'T HAVE TO preach to be in a Holy Order. There are plenty of characters in Holy Orders that don't even talk about their faith. They follow their faith's precepts, or believe in whatever God the Order is dedicated to, but they don't go around spreading that God's words or beliefs, trying to convert people or use their faith as justification for things.

My own character is a follower of Toran, (and Senath to a lesser degree) but I think most people would agree that she keeps her beliefs pretty much to herself, and just does her job. You don't have to preach to be in a Holy Order.

Hortis · Post by **Hortis** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 2:28 am

and same with the AKN though the AKN won't really open up anything interesting, it already has it's specific token people who do anything interesting that comes up).

And THAT's a good way to get ignored at AKN events.

Seriously, folks who complain that there's nothing to get involved in get no sympathy from me. Organize something yourself. The AKN (as an example) has LOTS of room for folks to plan things, and our dm sponsors are pretty willing to entertain ideas for events (thanks, NH4).

KinX · Post by **KinX** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 5:26 am

Fuzz wrote:
Serineth Swiftpaw wrote:I'd rather not join a religious order and start preaching as that makes no IC sense...
Just for public reference, keep in mind that you DON'T HAVE TO preach to be in a Holy Order. There are plenty of characters in Holy Orders that don't even talk about their faith. They follow their faith's precepts, or believe in whatever God the Order is dedicated to, but they don't go around spreading that God's words or beliefs, trying to convert people or use their faith as justification for things.

My own character is a follower of Toran, (and Senath to a lesser degree) but I think most people would agree that she keeps her beliefs pretty much to herself, and just does her job. You don't have to preach to be in a Holy Order.

Yup, you don't have to preach to be in a holy order. Preaching's for clerics.

Psyco · Post by **Psyco** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 5:50 am

and not even all clerics preach. Some religions and holy orders push that whole free will angle that lets people make up their own minds.

Serineth Swiftpaw · Post by **Serineth Swiftpaw** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 11:49 am

Gairus wrote:And try to minimise the insults you level at the groups you're interacting with

it already has it's specific token people who do anything interesting that comes up

It really looks like it's the same high ranking people in the AKN that get involved in events. I'm probably wrong, but from word of mouth and reading reports, it seems that way.

One of the main reasons I didn't want to join the army or such was because I didn't want to have the "playing field" reduced so to speak as I still need to be able to go to M'Chek and such.

Other than the Hands of Dru'el, OOG and Warrior Maidens, what other religious groups get involved in things as I don't hear much or anything about things happening with them (not saying nothing happens, I just dont hear about it

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Fifty · Post by **Fifty** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 12:11 pm

Wardens of M'Chek?

They are non-religious. My NG character is trying to join.

Serineth Swiftpaw · Post by **Serineth Swiftpaw** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 12:16 pm

Fifty wrote:Wardens of M'Chek?

They are non-religious. My NG character is trying to join.

hmm.... possibly, but I do have to admit I prefer Central Avlis to Southern Avlis due to the large amount of evil people in Southern Avlis (I need access there, I just don't like staying there)

So I could try the EAV, but it's like now, when I am on mornings here the servers are empty, especially of DMs. I remember when at this time it was quite often that I was the only person on the server

Lots of things seem to take place 0000 - 0700 GMT. Do different areas normally have different timezone DMs? As that is when things tend to happen in Elysia...

Serineth Swiftpaw · Post by **Serineth Swiftpaw** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 12:36 pm

I just read that the EAV is put on the TNanshi army faction so I will not be joining them. If I wanted to join the TNanshi Army I would join the TNanshi army

Vipact · Post by **Vipact** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 12:40 pm

If you are serious about the mage side of your warrior, maybe you should seek out the mage orders. If you squint, you might be able to see Ivory mages walking about that will inform you on the topic.

Serineth Swiftpaw · Post by **Serineth Swiftpaw** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 12:45 pm

Vipact wrote:If you are serious about the mage side of your warrior, maybe you should seek out the mage orders. If you squint, you might be able to see Ivory mages walking about that will inform you on the topic.

As I said, at the moment I am ignoring mage orders. I have something planned along those lines anyway, assuming there is ever both mortal magic lectures that I can attend *bangs head on keyboard*

So I need something that doesn't involve army factions, mage orders (thats later) or preaching, heh.

So I will try and join FEAT if I ever manage to make one of their meetings. I'll join the AKN if I can ever attend one of their meetings. (god I hate work).

Serineth Swiftpaw · Post by **Serineth Swiftpaw** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 2:27 pm

It would be IC for me to join the EAV but that has two major issues with being banned from M'Chek.

First, I may need to get to Melloniuses house, it's in MChek.
Second, the biggest Gem mine in all of Avlis is in MChek, the only others I know about are suicide.
Third, The Mikona mines are the only place I know of getting Copper, the Deglos one is broke as they are all in the walls and thus unminable.

Sort of cuts out of one current plan I have as well as severly limiting my whole "Master all crafts" aim

So, er, back to my main point. Are there any groups I can join that aren't part of the war? It seems that the entire of Avlis is a warzome now which kind of sucks as I want to avoid CvC which "picking a side" will evenitbly lead to.

I was thinking about the Church of Angadar but it seems everyone in it is evil, so I don't think I would fit in too well...

Wyrmwing · Post by **Wyrmwing** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 3:05 pm

If you run around a lot, try EDGE.. I don't think they've chosen sides in the war, so..

Also, the sentinels of Visimontium if you spend time in Deglos?

Fifty · Post by **Fifty** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 3:25 pm

Being a Warden of M'Chek does not mean taking part in the war, so I am not sure it would automatically lead to being excluded from Elysia...

Check it out.

Serineth Swiftpaw · Post by **Serineth Swiftpaw** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 7:36 pm

Fifty wrote:Being a Warden of M'Chek does not mean taking part in the war, so I am not sure it would automatically lead to being excluded from Elysia...

Check it out.

When I replied I meant that I dont spent all that long in M'Chek as I don't much like the people around there as they all seem to be evil, I just need access to it for raw materials...

Right, so Queued I now have AKN, ACE, EDGE. Lets go see.

Vergilius · Post by **Vergilius** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 7:50 pm

Serineth Swiftpaw wrote:I just read that the EAV is put on the TNanshi army faction so I will not be joining them. If I wanted to join the TNanshi Army I would join the TNanshi army

Its an "alliance" faction now. It has no IC bearing on whether you are part of that army.

Serineth Swiftpaw · Post by **Serineth Swiftpaw** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 7:55 pm

Vergilius wrote:
Serineth Swiftpaw wrote:I just read that the EAV is put on the TNanshi army faction so I will not be joining them. If I wanted to join the TNanshi Army I would join the TNanshi army
Its an "alliance" faction now. It has no IC bearing on whether you are part of that army.

True. I have nothing against going on offencives with the Elysian army or defending Elysia, but I need access to M'Chek for crafting reasons. I can't do that if every NPC is going to attack me

Mothandric · Post by **Mothandric** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 8:04 pm

Serineth Swiftpaw wrote: True. I have nothing against going on offencives with the Elysian army or defending Elysia, but I need access to M'Chek for crafting reasons. I can't do that if every NPC is going to attack me

I wouldn't worry so much about NPCs...

Serineth Swiftpaw · Post by **Serineth Swiftpaw** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 8:05 pm

Mothandric wrote:
Serineth Swiftpaw wrote: True. I have nothing against going on offencives with the Elysian army or defending Elysia, but I need access to M'Chek for crafting reasons. I can't do that if every NPC is going to attack me
I wouldn't worry so much about NPCs...

Yeah, but the PCs wouldnt' know I am in the EAV, it's just the NPCs that are psycic...

Midknight · Post by **Midknight** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 11:43 pm

So, er, back to my main point. Are there any groups I can join that aren't part of the war? It seems that the entire of Avlis is a warzome now which kind of sucks as I want to avoid CvC which "picking a side" will evenitbly lead to.

Quite simply, there is no group that you can join without some drawbacks. Let me point out a few things:
1) The War is escalating. You might eventually get dragged into CvC anyway.
2) Most people who do engage in CvC are usually very polite about it, as long as you respond in kind (i.e. don't loot, don't defecate on your corpse...)
3) All groups will have some sort of drawbacks or limitations. You can't possibly expect to join a group and have no consequences whatsoever. Heck, joining the AKN might not always be so safe... (you never know, there are always some disgruntled alchemists who just might be rather pissed about the monopoly that they're willing to go with over the top insane violence)

In short, it's about specialization. Unless you're willing to commit fully to a group and accept the fact that you will be limited in other areas, people are more likely to disregard you. DM's and players usually prefer to spend their time on the people who give the most effort.

That being said, there's still several groups you can join, such as FEAT or the 4A which are generally neutral, as well as any Holy Orders. If you're planning on becoming a master crafter, then I recommend the 4A - it's really "the place" to go for all non-alchemical crafters.

Finally, if you can't find what you want - start up something of your own! There's plenty of things you can try - an all wemic "pride", perhaps? Or maybe your own adventuring troupe, along the lines of FEAT? Starting your own guild/community/organization is a great way to get noticed.

Serineth Swiftpaw · Post by **Serineth Swiftpaw** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 11:52 pm

Midknight wrote:
Quite simply, there is no group that you can join without some drawbacks. Let me point out a few things:
1) The War is escalating. You might eventually get dragged into CvC anyway.
2) Most people who do engage in CvC are usually very polite about it, as long as you respond in kind (i.e. don't loot, don't defecate on your corpse...)

Hmm, I really don't like the idea of everything being a giant warzone or being dragged into it, it seems like it may just be a better idea to go offworld or something. What is Taris like? People seem to go to Rockhome and Hala all the time but I hear virtually nothing about Taris.

Maybe start a group that goes to all interesting places of all different worlds...

szabot · Post by **szabot** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 12:03 am

Serineth Swiftpaw wrote:People seem to go to Rockhome and Hala all the time but I hear virtually nothing about Taris.

Maybe start a group that goes to all interesting places of all different worlds...

I think FEAT goes to Tairis often.

Unfortunately, though, Tairis still seems rather new and so is usually unpopulated (and not great for new characters). If you go there, you may want to go with others.

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