Rogue immunity to sneak attack?

Lucien · Post by **Lucien** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 6:44 pm

Is it true that somewhere along the line Rogues are immune to sneak attacks from lower-level Rogues? Or am I imagining that entirely?

Thanks.

Wyrmwing · Post by **Wyrmwing** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 6:48 pm

There's a PnP ruling that rogues can't use their uncanny dodge ability against higher level rogues.

As far as I know though, this does not happen in NWN, and sneak attack damage is dealt, regardless of the rogue level of the character that suffers from that attack.

Nightshade · Post by **Nightshade** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 6:57 pm

True. I've been sneak attacked in duels by lower level rogues.

Rhissaerk Jalesh · Post by **Rhissaerk Jalesh** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 9:46 pm

Uncanny dodge 2 will grant you a sort of immunity to sneak attack from lower level rogues.

It will not work when flat footed, or knocked down, and a high enough level rogue can bypass it. In PnP, a rogue has to be 4 rogue levels higher then the rogue levels of the person they are attacking. I am unsure if this is true in NWN.

However I know there are alot of creatures that have sneak attack, that as long as Rhiss isn't flat footed, don't get sneak attacks against him. (Nanshi Warriors/Yeomen being the ones I most commonly see being denied their sneak attacks)

Zamael668 · Post by **Zamael668** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 10:02 pm

Lightning Reflexes - Grants Dex bonus to AC, even if "Flat Footed".

A handy feat to pick up, along with Uncanny Dodge 1, 2, Epic Dodge.

Beary666 · Post by **Beary666** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 3:00 pm

Zamael668 wrote:Lightning Reflexes - Grants Dex bonus to AC, even if "Flat Footed".

A handy feat to pick up, along with Uncanny Dodge 1, 2, Epic Dodge.

Nope, Lighning Reflexs is just +2 to reflex saves

Isengrim · Post by **Isengrim** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 3:08 pm

Hmm what does "Flat Footed" mean exactly in NWN?

Nightshade · Post by **Nightshade** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 3:55 pm

It means you are caught unawares, as in sneaked, flanked, lying prone or caught in an attack of opportunity.

You used to lose your dodge and deflection AC if this was the case. Now, I believe you just lose your dodge bonus.

(I may be wrong on details. Feel free to correct.)

Rhissaerk Jalesh · Post by **Rhissaerk Jalesh** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 8:03 pm

A test I did has made me believe for some reason, the level based immunity is backwards in NWN. While in PnP a 12th level rogue would be immune to sneaks from up to a 15th level rogue, in NWN they are immune to only 7 and lower. While that's quite a fumble programming wise, I can't say it's unexpected. I'll try and confirm this once I find a 7th level rogue to test it on. (I know 8th can sneak me)

Sinbadsam · Post by **Sinbadsam** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 8:23 pm

Hey I can assist if you like I am just now 7th(13th) and I can surely give it go, to sneak stab you.

Rhissaerk Jalesh · Post by **Rhissaerk Jalesh** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 8:32 pm

Okay, great. I think I know your character, I'll look for you. *smiles*