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Post by TripleAught » Sun Oct 09, 2005 11:24 pm

The Spot/Listen debate always seems to be framed in terms of what will help you against other PCs.

But getting a Spot decent enough to detect NPC monsters who don't have the benefit of all the gear that PCs can get, can be done rather easily if you have Spot as a class skill.
And let me tell you, it helps.
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Post by JJJ » Mon Oct 10, 2005 1:01 am

Monks have listen as a class skill, but not spot. So naturally, JJ went for the listen route.
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Post by Anyamaur » Mon Oct 10, 2005 1:27 am

Krator wrote:Listen is awesome, because it extends the range you can hear whispers in.
No, it won't.
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Post by Vergilius » Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:24 am

I prefer both if possible, since they really are complementary skills. If I had to pick one or the other, it would be on the basis of character concept/build. Determining which one is better is dependant upon what you expect out of your character.
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Post by Krator » Mon Oct 10, 2005 6:14 am

Anyamaur wrote:
Krator wrote:Listen is awesome, because it extends the range you can hear whispers in.
No, it won't.
Yes, it will!
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Post by loki70 » Mon Oct 10, 2005 6:57 am

Krator wrote:
Anyamaur wrote:
Krator wrote:Listen is awesome, because it extends the range you can hear whispers in.
No, it won't.
Yes, it will!
I agree with Krator. My main has a listen in the 50s, and can hear whispers from a good distance. My alt has no listen at all, and can hear someone standing close to him, but about 6 game feet (the size of the human male model) the conversation is lost. That and the DMs have stated the same.
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Re: expertise and power attack

Post by KaiRal Windspar » Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:09 am

downsystem wrote:So i was just trying to figure out which skill (listen or spot) will help keep them on durring the times when you fight a creature thats invisible or one thats dissipeared because of their hide in shadows abilities.
No ammount of either skill will help you against an opponent that goes invisible (via spell or potion). Just not going to happen. Spot has no effect on invisibility, at all, ever. And even if you can still hear them, the combat engine will stop attacking, no matter what. You will have to reselect your opponent and reactivate your feats.

The ONLY way to combat this is to have See Invisibility up and running, in which case they never go invisible, so you never stop attacking.

Now, for Hide in Plain Sight, you are also out of luck, if I am not mistaken. Your opponent uses HiPS, and hey dissapear. Nothing to be done about it. No ammount of Spot will stop this from happening. Now, at the end of the round, and beginning of the next, you can spot them again. At that point, you will have to reselect them for attack, and re-acivate your feats.

It sucks, but that's the way it is.
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