Knockdown, and improved knockdown

Rhissaerk Jalesh · Post by **Rhissaerk Jalesh** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 9:48 pm

Lizardmen are not large. They are medium. I can attest to this cause...well, I'm a lizardman. *grins*

Dirk Cutlass · Post by **Dirk Cutlass** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 9:53 pm

Rhissaerk Jalesh wrote:Lizardmen are not large. They are medium. I can attest to this cause...well, I'm a lizardman. *grins*

Maybe the Improved Knockdown allows you to knock down things that are 2 size categories bigger than you rather than just 1? The manual isn't very clear on it - the way I read it, the size only affects the DC of the Discipline roll. *shrugs*

PS: No wonder Rhiss was managing to hit / knockdown Leo so much with all this broken feats and extra size and stuff - I'll give you a re-match when 1.65 is out to see how well I can do

(I'm sure you'll sure win, but it would be good to try it out and check it anyway)

Psyco · Post by **Psyco** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 9:58 pm

Improved Knockdown makes you act as if you are one size category larger than you actually are. Most people focus on the +4 this gives/gave you over things the same size as you, but it also means that you are able to knockdown things 2 size categories larger than yourself.

So with improved knockdown a halfling could knockdown a wemic, but not a dragon, but a human with improved knockdown could knock down the dragon.

Enverex · Post by **Enverex** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 10:00 pm

Rhissaerk Jalesh wrote:Lizardmen are not large. They are medium. I can attest to this cause...well, I'm a lizardman. *grins*

Thats odd, I'm sure my Changeling couldn't memorise Lizardman forms before level 10... maybe I am thinking of something else...

KenLie · Post by **KenLie** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 11:27 pm

Ken has knocked down dragons too and he's dwarf... I think IKD moves it 1 sizegategory higher, where large can knock huge.

Enverex · Post by **Enverex** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 11:31 pm

KD also says, that not only can you only knock down a class one bigger than you, but you can only knock down classes one BELOW you too. So for instance, Kai wouldn't be able to use knockdown on a Dog or Mouse... meaning that even a human couldn't use KD on a tiny creature.

For those that don't know, it goes...

Huge
Large
Medium
Small
Tiny

Midknight · Post by **Midknight** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 12:55 am

The feat description of Improved Knockdown states that "the character may attempt a knock down as a creature one size category larger". That effectively gives you another +4 bonus to your knockdown check, and also allows you to knockdown huge opponents.

Fuzz · Post by **Fuzz** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 2:01 am

My monk can knock dragons on their asses. Any medium-sized monk can. Testament to the +2 size rule.

Thing is, as it stands now, any size can knock down any other size. At least, that's how it was a year ago when a halfling in the fightclub mod was able to knock a spawned dragon on its ass.

Deciver · Post by **Deciver** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 7:21 am

improved knockdown lasts longer am i right?

Rhissaerk Jalesh · Post by **Rhissaerk Jalesh** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 7:35 am

Nope, they both last the same amount of time. Which is to the end of the current round.