Weapon Finesse and rapiers...

AyounTheDark · Post by **AyounTheDark** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 11:28 pm

Hiya..

I chose the feat weapon finesse for one of my characters. And as it states the rapiers are included in that feat. But funny thing is I was able to work my way to get 2 handy rapiers for my character, but then I see the weapon finesse doesnt work on those.

Is this a modified rule on Avlis for Rapiers and weapon finesse, or could it be a bug?

MondoPotato · Post by **MondoPotato** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 11:32 pm

You can't use two medium sized weapons to get the bonuses... I think it only counts if you use a medium and a small in the off hand.

I could be wrong though, that's just off the top of my head.

Jonezie · Post by **Jonezie** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 11:32 pm

Weapon finesse does apply to rapiers, so you can use your DEX bonus instead of STR to calculate your bonus to-hit. However, they still count as medium weapons for the purposes of dual-wielding, so if you have one in each hand, you will take a -4/-4 penalty instead of the -2/-2 for a light off-hand weapon.

AyounTheDark · Post by **AyounTheDark** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 11:35 pm

Ahh.. Thanx for enlightening me..

I guess I'll need another feat then. Like improved ambidex and/or improved 2 weaponfighting to lower the penalties then? I cant really seem to find those #@£§´% rules anywhere..

Jonezie · Post by **Jonezie** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 11:47 pm

Okay, here's a breif run-down of dual wielding penalties with various feats.

No feats, medium off hand weapon: -6/-10
No feats, light off hand weapon: -4/-8
Two-Weapon Fighting, medium off hand weapon: -4/-8
Two-Weapon Fighting, light off hand weapon: -2/-6
Ambidex, medium off hand weapon: -6/-6
Ambidex, light off hand weapon: -4/-4
Ambidex, Two-Weapon fighting, medium off hand weapon: -4/-4
Ambidex, Two-Weapon fighting, light off hand weapon: -2/-2

Improved two weapon fighting gives you a second off-hand attack each round at a penalty of +5. So, with two rapiers, the best you'll be able to do is -4/-4 and two off-hand attacks, I'm afraid.

MondoPotato · Post by **MondoPotato** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 12:01 am

Thanks Jonezie. You are too awesome

AyounTheDark · Post by **AyounTheDark** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 3:08 pm

MondoPotato wrote:Thanks Jonezie. You are too awesome

Yup

Thats nice! Thanx a load!

Sinbadsam · Post by **Sinbadsam** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 9:02 pm

HMm but what if you are a wemic dual weilding,,,two rapiers would be small for them.

MondoPotato · Post by **MondoPotato** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 10:18 pm

Then in the case of a Wemic, I suppose you'd be cool to dual wield without penalty. If you do still get a penalty, then lets blame the NWN engine. That's the best skapegoat ever.

mortzestus · Post by **mortzestus** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 10:42 pm

Moved from Ask the Team.

Really, there are a million players out there who can answer this kind of question.

Havoulov · Post by **Havoulov** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 11:01 pm

The whole misunderstanding comes from the manual where it sais in the description of the rapier that it makes a perfect off-hand weapon....

Yes blame Bioware!

Sathsarrion · Post by **Sathsarrion** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 1:36 am

Sinbadsam wrote:HMm but what if you are a wemic dual weilding,,,two rapiers would be small for them.

Exactly right. almost anything a wemic can use offhanded only counts as a light weapon. I have tested this

chamalscuro · Post by **chamalscuro** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 3:14 am

This also counts for changelings taking on large forms: Giants, minotaurs and the like. Try dual-wielding a two-handed sword and a longsword... Not optimum, but fun for kicks!

nietzche · Post by **nietzche** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 5:00 pm

MondoPotato wrote:That's the best skapegoat ever.

I think you're forgetting someone there...

Snow · Post by **Snow** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 5:04 pm

loki70 · Post by **loki70** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 5:04 pm

nietzche wrote:
MondoPotato wrote:That's the best skapegoat ever.
I think you're forgetting someone there...

Blames Snow