"Seeing" hidden or invisible PC's

Fifty · Post by **Fifty** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 1:25 pm

So you are not saying that you can ID invisible people? Sorry, I misunderstood what you had written.

Talwin Hawkins · Post by **Talwin Hawkins** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 1:26 pm

No i cant Id invisible people, or i shouldnt. But WHY is it that invisible people can still be seen when they are close to people?

Kieron · Post by **Kieron** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 1:48 pm

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this covers a lot of the questions, not just invisible but also stealth (if you read down). if you step on a twig, they haven't noticed you. they have heard there is something in the area. Your shimmering image is ooc info like your floaty name. at most they can hear something large rumbling around in that general direction. only when they manage to spot you have they noticed you.

i didn't think you see invis people when they were close, rather you just got the ghost image similar to a listen. and of course, if they keep moving, you will still see that ghost image on your screen representing the last spot you heard something.

Fifty · Post by **Fifty** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 2:22 pm

It is inded a shame that Bioware did not code NWN so that unidentified creatures do not have a floaty. Better still if invisible detected things are just an outline. Had they done that there would be even more options available to those who have done some marvellous coding on various things, and it may have been possible to make floaty a names a more valuable tool in general.

Dralix · Post by **Dralix** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 3:02 pm

The bottom line on invisibility is that if someone is invisible (examine them and find out) and you are not under the effects of see invisibility, then you cannot see them. If they start talking to you and you know them enough to recognize their voice, then you can ID them, but still not SEE them.

If they don't say anything, then even though you've heard something, you haven't seen anything.

Spartan · Post by **Spartan** » Sat Aug 20, 2005 3:22 am

Stealth is a little silly.

I can sneak around the woods an dnot be seen.
Walking right infront of someone in broad daylight out in the open, well, it's a game after all..

What annoys me are the people who take a shit fit when you see them and their invisible.
Yes, your invisible and because of the game engine stuff I saw you. Yes i'm doing a bunch of things and didn't get a chance to check your profile to see if you are infact invisible. (Note, these are the same people who complain that checking someones profile is metagaming)

All I can say is relax, people make mistakes. Sending me a tell saying hey fucking idiot im invisible is going to make me find an IC reason to show you how much i appriciate being called an idiot.

Jordicus · Post by **Jordicus** » Sat Aug 20, 2005 4:11 am

Talwin Hawkins wrote:its the point of hiding In my eyes doesnt make you invisible. It means they are ignoring you. Hiding is not a magical ability. If i am in STEALTH mode people are ignoring me. i am blending with the scenery. if i step on a twig they have now NOTICED me. there is a big difference.

This is why i originally said im confused why bioware made the INVISIBLE spell so that you can see people standing next to you.

this is incorrect regarding someone hiding.

if they are in stealth mode and you succeed in your Listen check, then yes, you see the shimmering image. However, the only thing you can claim IC at that moment is that you HEARD someone. if you successfully Spot them, they stop shimmering and appear regular. Then and only then can you ID them. Anything else is metagaming by using OOC information

Darkfire · Post by **Darkfire** » Sat Aug 20, 2005 8:53 am

Talwin Hawkins wrote:No i cant Id invisible people, or i shouldnt. But WHY is it that invisible people can still be seen when they are close to people?

ok with the exception of being concealed ... when you see an etheral, clear, ghostly, shimmering or anything else that isn't solid your PC can hear them and not see them. If the other PC you are attempting to look/hear is completly solid looking ~then~ they can be seen. Inivisible PC's standing next to you make noise and your PC can then hear them..NOT see them...hence them being see through and not solid...

So, simply put, See through hear----solid see/hear. If I am wrong someone please correct me

(( of course not including concealment ))

thanks.

Brock Fanning · Post by **Brock Fanning** » Sat Aug 20, 2005 1:04 pm

Darkfire wrote: So, simply put, See through hear----solid see/hear. If I am wrong someone please correct me (( of course not including concealment ))

thanks.

That seems right, as I understand it. So, with the exceptions spelled out, it would be:

A "solid" avatar means that your character sees the other character.

A "shimmering" avatar means that your character hears the other character. However, you have to examine their profile, because there are two exceptions:

1. If you examine the character's profile and they are "Concealed" but not "Invisible", then this indicates that they had Improved Invisibility cast on them, and then later attacked. In this case you can see a blurry outline, but you cannot identify the character.

2. If you have True Seeing or See Invisibility on, and you examine the character's profile and they are "Invisible" and/or "Concealed", then you can see them perfectly fine. If they are neither "Invisible" nor "Concealed", this indicates that they are hiding normally, and that your character merely heard something.

And one side note: Sometimes you'll try to examine a character's profile and find there is only a lingering image left, and that their floating name no longer appears over their head. This means your character heard something, but did not see anything.

And another side note: There doesn't seem to be any way to resolve the rare occasion when a PC with See Invisibility or True Seeing hears an Invisible AND hiding PC. To the PC with See Invisibility or True Seeing, there's no way to know that the other PC is also hiding. Seeing "movement speed decreased" in the profile would be a clue, I guess, but not definitive... So, to all the rogues out there: Be wary of sneaking around while stealthed AND invisible. If another PC with See Invisibility or True Seeing hears you, they might assume that you can see you too.

Does that seem right to everyone? I feel like I'm back in Symbolic Logic class... Ug...

I think I'll just stop casting See Invisibility. That way I'll only have to worry about exception #1.

loki70 · Post by **loki70** » Sat Aug 20, 2005 1:25 pm

Jordicus wrote:
Talwin Hawkins wrote:its the point of hiding In my eyes doesnt make you invisible. It means they are ignoring you. Hiding is not a magical ability. If i am in STEALTH mode people are ignoring me. i am blending with the scenery. if i step on a twig they have now NOTICED me. there is a big difference.

This is why i originally said im confused why bioware made the INVISIBLE spell so that you can see people standing next to you.
this is incorrect regarding someone hiding.

if they are in stealth mode and you succeed in your Listen check, then yes, you see the shimmering image. However, the only thing you can claim IC at that moment is that you HEARD someone. if you successfully Spot them, they stop shimmering and appear regular. Then and only then can you ID them. Anything else is metagaming by using OOC information

So, if you hear them, and they are creeping around where they aren't wanted, then they can be attacked, knocked down, whatever would happen to someone who walked in in broad daylight clear as a bell. The point is that you don't know who they are, but you can incapacitate them to find out.

Fifty · Post by **Fifty** » Sat Aug 20, 2005 1:37 pm

I would assume you get bonuses to spot someone you have heard?