looting policy

dragon lord · Post by **dragon lord** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 10:29 pm

what is the looting rule i've been told that i can only take one or two items at max. What will happen if i take more than two items.

Keflex · Post by **Keflex** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 10:31 pm

The best policy is, frankly, not to loot *at all*. If you take a lot of items off of someone's body, expect them to find an awful lot of help when it comes to hunting you down, looting everything off your corpse, and probably doing it three or four more times over the course of the next week or so. And expect the DMs to ignore your pleas.

Psyco · Post by **Psyco** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 10:34 pm

There is no rule saying what you can and can't loot. However there are rules covering other peoples enjoyment, and there are guidelines for different situations.

Also the biggest thing is, if you get known as a looter, your time in Avlis will also not be anywhere near as enjoyable.

Basically, don't think about yourself, think about others and you will be fine. If you are unsure about looting something, the safest thing is not to loot anything.

dragon lord · Post by **dragon lord** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 10:34 pm

thanks

Final Shinryuu · Post by **Final Shinryuu** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 10:35 pm

Keflex, I find myself agreeing with you alot lately.

Basicly, if you loot, although there are no technical rules against it, people are going to remember that you did it. They will not like you. You will die. Many times. They will take all your gear.

Really, it's just as Keflex said.

(edit: Ohh.. Just a second after Psyco and Dragon Lord posted)

WrathOG777 · Post by **WrathOG777** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 10:37 pm

There is not policy. You may loot whatever from whoever you feel needs a looting for whatever reason your character feels is justified.

The gentlemen's agreement between players is...
-Only take what is replaceable. That would mean buyable from merchants or crafters, or found easily like apples, leather, and glowmoss.
-Greater things can be taken, but there should be some way made available for the looted party to get these back. This could be by ransom, agreeing to do a little dance, appologizing, giveing them to a third party to be delivered to the looted, etc. This generaly, if you would take my experience as your guide, is not worth your time.

Lafferty · Post by **Lafferty** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 10:47 pm

Not entirely true... you must not loot guild items or anything like it. Those items serve special roles. Afaik this is a rule.

Final Shinryuu · Post by **Final Shinryuu** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 10:48 pm

Wrath, that is more the Warzone gentleman's agreement.

Personally, I think that that applies there, and there alone. Except in the case of bandits, of course.

Outside of the warzone, I really don't appreciate looting, and if anyone gets it into thier head to take my "replacables" Which, to me, really are not so easily replacable, I will make them pay

Psyco · Post by **Psyco** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 10:50 pm

Thats true, however all of those should be plot, go with the person to the death plane, and not ever have the chance of being looted.

If for whatever reason a guild item does come into your hands, you are to get it back to the person asap.

WrathOG777 · Post by **WrathOG777** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 10:55 pm

Final Shinryuu wrote:Wrath, that is more the Warzone gentleman's agreement.

Personally, I think that that applies there, and there alone. Except in the case of bandits, of course.

Outside of the warzone, I really don't appreciate looting, and if anyone gets it into thier head to take my "replacables" Which, to me, really are not so easily replacable, I will make them pay

The gentlemen's agreement means all avlis baby.

The armies and the warzone use their own set of rules.

Kareth · Post by **Kareth** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 11:19 pm

WrathOG777 wrote:
Final Shinryuu wrote:Wrath, that is more the Warzone gentleman's agreement.

Personally, I think that that applies there, and there alone. Except in the case of bandits, of course.

Outside of the warzone, I really don't appreciate looting, and if anyone gets it into thier head to take my "replacables" Which, to me, really are not so easily replacable, I will make them pay
The gentlemen's agreement means all avlis baby.

The armies and the warzone use their own set of rules.

Yeah, I heard full on dry looting was allowed in the warzone.

My view of looting is different depending on who started the combat - if I did then I won't take anything of value, but if someone attacks me I would be less generous

I would never dry loot, or loot anything serious without giving someone the chance to get it back

Dralix · Post by **Dralix** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 12:49 am

Final Shinryuu wrote:Outside of the warzone, I really don't appreciate looting, and if anyone gets it into thier head to take my "replacables" Which, to me, really are not so easily replacable, I will make them pay

Thing like this, and what Keflex said would happen are worse than looting. I find it very hard to believe that if someone kills and loots someone, then is killed repeatedly and looted themselves, that the DMs will ignore their pleas.

Looting is not griefing. Repeated killing for the same infraction is griefing.

dragon lord · Post by **dragon lord** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 3:21 am

so when i am in a warzone i can take everything the person has yes

Psyco · Post by **Psyco** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 3:30 am

when people say inside the warzone, they normally mean inside the warzone as a combatant. And even then the only dry looting i know of that happens is for bandits, ie people who have no business being there. Bandits are also kill on sight for both sides of the war.

Technically the answer is loot what you like where you like, but if you are asking the question here and not in army forums then being in the warzone or not has no bearing on what you should or shouldn't do.

As has been said above, if you loot you will make a name for yourself, and not a good one. If you dry loot, in the warzone or otherwise you will make a much bigger name for yourself much quicker. Also if you are playing around in the warzone just to kill and loot people, odds are high your actions will end up with you being tagged as a bandit pretty quickly.

Judging from your attitude in this thread only, and i may be wrong, i would say the best option for you is not to loot anything from anyone. looting is not against the rules, but it is a slippery slope, one i suggest you stay away from. It is very easy to have fun on avlis, even if you are playing an evil or chaotic character without ever looting something.

Arandil · Post by **Arandil** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 5:34 am

Dry looting is NOT the policy in the warzone. If you're found FIGHTING in the warzone and you are not in either army, then you can be dry looted with no repercussions by ARMY PCs, this is to discourage civilians fighting in the warzone. Army PCs never loot each other to my knowledge, except maybe the odd potion or two. And in reality, we don't usually loot bandits. We have had cases of idiots who thought it would be cool to look for PC corpses in the warzone and loot em dry, which is why army PCs will generally guard your corpse if they find it, or created it.
Looters in the warzone will be hunted down by both sides as a priority, and there are more than enough epic lvl army PCs to ensure this will not be fun for you.

Arandil

GHENGIZ.KHAN · Post by **GHENGIZ.KHAN** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 6:25 am

Yeah, I heard full on dry looting was allowed in the warzone.

You could try, but you will have at least one side of the army after you.

Looting potions, scrolls and ammo is thought of as acceptable, but I never do it, and I've been lucky to not have anything looted from me.

Fifty · Post by **Fifty** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 10:01 am

I think the only time plot items stay on the body is when they are in a bag, and even that I am not sure about.

KenLie · Post by **KenLie** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 10:27 am

Looks like guild items are with you even when they are not with you. I managed to die yesterday and used guilditems naked, without any items... interesting experience...

Arandil · Post by **Arandil** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 10:29 am

"so when i am in a warzone i can take everything the person has yes"

You can, but you will never be able to set foot in the wilderness again without being hunted by a number of very powerful people.

White-Raven · Post by **White-Raven** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 10:31 am

Fifty wrote:I think the only time plot items stay on the body is when they are in a bag, and even that I am not sure about.

Nopp, I have sevral plot items, and they stay on your corpse/inventory even in deathplane. If you have them in a bag, they are in the bag back at the corpse.

KenLie · Post by **KenLie** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 10:32 am

KenLie wrote:Looks like guild items are with you even when they are not with you. I managed to die yesterday and used guilditems naked, without any items... interesting experience...

Quoting myself is new experience as well... but now that I think of it more than 5 seconds... I used guilditem to open door in naked run. I suppose GetHasItem script doesn't care if it's you or your corpse carrying items...

Tunic · Post by **Tunic** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 10:35 am

Lafferty wrote:Not entirely true... you must not loot guild items or anything like it. Those items serve special roles. Afaik this is a rule.

All my guild items seem to be nodrop, which suits me fine.

mortzestus · Post by **mortzestus** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 10:52 am

As Green has said, plot items always stay on your character except if you leave them inside a bag. So never ever leave custom plot items in a bag: they won't stay with you if you die and you might lose them if a crash happens during your naked run.

Final Shinryuu wrote:Outside of the warzone, I really don't appreciate looting, and if anyone gets it into thier head to take my "replacables" Which, to me, really are not so easily replacable, I will make them pay

Outside of the warzone, if one of my characters is attacked (i.e. i don't start the CvC fight) and i have to use my own potions or whatever else to win the fight, i'm sure as hell that i'll take enough consumables from the attacker to replace the stuff i spent during the fight. Whether the attacker is cool with that or not.

I don't loot potions and that kind of things in the warzone except in very rare occasions. For instance, if someone drinks five potions of speed during the fight and i manage to win, he's not going to find a single potion of that type in his corpse when he comes back (if i send him to his death plane, which is something that i hardly ever do). I've always seen this kind of looting as a way to discourage the use of certain stuff when fighting the war.

Final Shinryuu · Post by **Final Shinryuu** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 11:22 am

mortzestus wrote:
Final Shinryuu wrote:Outside of the warzone, I really don't appreciate looting, and if anyone gets it into thier head to take my "replacables" Which, to me, really are not so easily replacable, I will make them pay
Outside of the warzone, if one of my characters is attacked (i.e. i don't start the CvC fight) and i have to use my own potions or whatever else to win the fight, i'm sure as hell that i'll take enough consumables from the attacker to replace the stuff i spent during the fight. Whether the attacker is cool with that or not.

I don't loot potions and that kind of things in the warzone except in very rare occasions. For instance, if someone drinks five potions of speed during the fight and i manage to win, he's not going to find a single potion of that type in his corpse when he comes back (if i send him to his death plane, which is something that i hardly ever do). I've always seen this kind of looting as a way to discourage the use of certain stuff when fighting the war.

Then again, I don't start CvC outside of the warzone.

Kareth · Post by **Kareth** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 11:46 am

Arandil wrote:Dry looting is NOT the policy in the warzone. If you're found FIGHTING in the warzone and you are not in either army, then you can be dry looted with no repercussions by ARMY PCs, this is to discourage civilians fighting in the warzone. Army PCs never loot each other to my knowledge, except maybe the odd potion or two. And in reality, we don't usually loot bandits. We have had cases of idiots who thought it would be cool to look for PC corpses in the warzone and loot em dry, which is why army PCs will generally guard your corpse if they find it, or created it.
Looters in the warzone will be hunted down by both sides as a priority, and there are more than enough epic lvl army PCs to ensure this will not be fun for you.

Arandil

Seems I misunderstood the policy thought it applied to enemy soldiers and not just bandits - although not a problem as my character doesn't intend to get involved (the main reason I didn't take too much notice of the warzone looting policy