System Rebooting during game.

Baratin Gilden · Post by **Baratin Gilden** » Tue Nov 25, 2003 10:35 pm

Has anyone else had a problem with their Computer Sytem Rebooting during the middle of a Avlis game?

Early last month my PC was sufferingly from random reboots during games.
A number of Upgrades, formats and installs later the system appeared stable again, and has been running fine for the past two weeks. I decide to reinstall NWN original, SOU and patch it up to date, along with the AVLIS Haks etc, and 5 minutes back into the game, my system incredibly reboots with no warning yet again! The same problem repeating itself?

I have pratically a new system of hardware installed since these problems and reformatted/installed windows so many times I've lost count.

Help has anyone else had this same problem???

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Asus A7n8x ?deluxe motherboard, 256mb 333mhz cas2 RAM (running single channel mode)
XP 2600 CPU (running 333mhz like the ram).
tachyon g9600pro
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Penumbra · Post by **Penumbra** » Tue Nov 25, 2003 11:01 pm

Yes. I have had the same problem starting over the weekend. It started after I downloaded the update for CoPaP and LeOr. I also downloaded the NWN camera Hak. I don't know if its one of these or something else altogether. The occurance seems to be pretty rare in my case. So at least for now I can live with it.

Mistcaller · Post by **Mistcaller** » Wed Nov 26, 2003 12:13 am

I have a suspicion your problems are related to this: viewtopic.php?t=22536&highlight=

I cant think of any other reason....

Penumbra · Post by **Penumbra** » Wed Nov 26, 2003 3:02 am

I ran a scan of my system. Norton found nothing.

Achm3d · Post by **Achm3d** » Wed Nov 26, 2003 6:38 am

I was having the same problem a few months ago. My system was running fine for everything BUT Neverwinter Nights. After posting about it in these forums and following the lovely peoples of Avlis advice it was found to be the CPU overheating.

A new cpu fan (US $20), and a bit of thermal grease took care of the problem. Click here and download "Motherboard Monitor 5", it will tell you all of your system temps, voltage, and fan speeds.

Good luck!

-A

Brannor · Post by **Brannor** » Wed Nov 26, 2003 7:15 am

WinXP comes with a grand new feature that will reboot your system on errors.

If you have XP turn this off and note the error that it shows.

More possible faults:
drivers
faulty ram
faulty cpu

Get MBM like Achm3d says.
If your system is overheating that could be a problem.
Does your case match AMD specs?
They call for at least one extra intake fan and one extra exhaust fan.

apsk121 · Post by **apsk121** » Wed Nov 26, 2003 8:22 am

Most probably it is faulty RAm, I had this problem long ago ...

Brannor · Post by **Brannor** » Wed Nov 26, 2003 8:33 am

That would be my guess as well.

@Baratin:
Download the ctRAMtst from this site:
http://www.heise.de/ct/ftp/

It is the best ram-tester out there.
It works from your GFX-cards ram so it can fully scan the boards ram.

Heronimous Fox · Post by **Heronimous Fox** » Wed Nov 26, 2003 9:24 am

Brannor

does it come in any other flavours other than Bravarian?

sounds good otherwise

Brannor · Post by **Brannor** » Wed Nov 26, 2003 11:06 am

It is not bavarian, its german.
And yes, there are differences.

But it is easy to use.
Just slap it on a disk and reboot your pc.
You might need an image program.

The test-program is in english iirc.

Heronimous Fox · Post by **Heronimous Fox** » Wed Nov 26, 2003 11:12 am

tvm, will give it a go

(thankyou very much)

Baratin Gilden · Post by **Baratin Gilden** » Wed Nov 26, 2003 11:20 am

Old system set up:
geforce 3 Ti200
Athlon 1200Mhz (running at 266mhz)
768mb 266mhz RAM DDR (a 512 mb stick and 256mb stick)
Asus A7A266 motherboard
cd/dvd rom
cd burner
soundblaster live player 5.1
samsung barracuda 80gigs harddrive
300Watts case.

The same problem occurred on my old system late september/early October (specs above). And NWN had ran fine on it since it was released a year ago?

Middle last month (October) I've had alot of equipment upgraded:

Asus A7n8x -deluxe motherboard, 256mb 333mhz cas2 RAM (running single channel mode)
XP 2600 CPU (running 333mhz like the ram).
tachyon g9600pro

Including reformat and reinstall(s) of windows XP.

I dont think its power related. A colleague of mine has a 300W psu, and a similarly set-up, but also a hungry Radeon 9800 pro card, which requires additional power to it.

I just find it a bit suss that the same problem appears again, after weeks of stable play of other games, when 5 minutes after I reinstall NWN and start playing Avlis.

Now I will look for MSBlast, but I doubt its a problem; the MS patch was one of the first things I installed when I reformatted and installed XP.
I also have Macafree Antivirus running whenever Im on line.

Last month the side of my case was always off, inorder to aid cooling, and I have Asus probe for the Mobo, which never recorded anything bad for temperature, fan speed or voltage. I'll take it off again and see if it helps.

I uninstalled NWN as soon as the problem reappeared and deleted the avlis stuff and folders.
hopefully it hasn't recorded any troublesome file into the registry or somesuch.

NWN cant be any more power/graphics demanding than the likes of Max Payne 2 / Mafia and they run fine?

Im thinking it must be a update conflict of somesort? maybe with one of the components that wasnt upgraded?
Perhaps the Sundblaster live Player? (I play it hardware accelerated with EAX 1 tm options turned on)
or a CD/DVD conflict
or with my Plextor Burner?
these and the Hardrive have remained the same? so maybe they're not happy with the newest 1.32 update patch or something from the Avlsishaks?

any helps /tipos/idea welcome

Xeo · Post by **Xeo** » Wed Nov 26, 2003 11:41 am

Look its not your PCs...... My system reboots in mid game on NWN but on any other game it does not........

I have a ATI radeon 9100 card and when i started this is what i had

Problem= Flickering crazy graphics

Action= Load ATI CAT drivers 3.9

Result= Sorted

Problem= System Errors with NWN and ATI Driver Errors

Action= Load ATI CAT drivers 3.8

Result= Flickering crazy graphics again

Problem= Flickering crazys graphics again.

Action= Loaded ATI CAT Drivers 3.7

Result= Fine, all running ok very rarely get errors or system restart, just soemtimes........ but they are NWN ones.

I htink its the Cat drivers i rolled back twice now

Hope this helps

Hope that helps

Baratin Gilden · Post by **Baratin Gilden** » Wed Nov 26, 2003 11:57 am

Xeo Bodacea wrote:Look its not your PCs...... My system reboots in mid game on NWN but on any other game it does not........

Hope that helps

No mate, it hapened on NWN and my other games withthe old and new system last month.

Only reccently (past 2 weeks after lots of fiddling) everthing has been running fine, Until I reinstall NWN last night and the same problem appeared again.
I'm HOPING that NWN doesn't now cause my system to reboot while playing other games because of some NWN registry file or somesuch change an update for it may have made to my PC.

I need to try playing my other games for a couple of hours straight and see if the system reboots . I'll do that tonight.
I just thought I would prempt any problems and ask the forums for similar experiences.

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if you want a wild speculation I think NWN updates mess with the CD drivers installed on the system. Something NWN trys to do when accessing the CD; which requires in the drive to play.
The reason I say that is that games that do not require a cd in the drive played much longer before reboots than games that requred a CD in the drive.
uninstalling the cd drivers and removing the IDE cables, and then putting it all back together seemed to help last time. (after nwn was unistalled)
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Xeo · Post by **Xeo** » Wed Nov 26, 2003 12:07 pm

Yeah what your saying makes sense and i do think it could be NWN on mine too

Graphics was a prob but i sovled that but did get one NWN error last night

Tell me what happens when you play other game tonight? and what was the results...

Thing is is used to play Medievil Total War and never had a crash off that......

So post your results if you could m8

Good luck

Mistcaller · Post by **Mistcaller** » Wed Nov 26, 2003 12:18 pm

Try using a nwn no-cd patch then... just to test if it is the CD's fault or not

Brannor · Post by **Brannor** » Wed Nov 26, 2003 12:28 pm

Baratin Gilden wrote: Athlon 1200Mhz (running at 266mhz)

@266? I HOPE you missed the "1" key by accident

Besides that, make sure you have the latest drivers for your stuff.
I spent 2 hours yesterday trying to upgrade my fekking VIA drivers just so I could finally burn my suse9 dvd's.
Before that trying to burn them resulted in a hung system.
No doubt it would crash anything <2k.

So your assessment that your dvd could be at fault might be true.
Check for newer drivers and firmware.

If you don't want to play disc-jockey, create an image of the NWN cd and mount it with demon tools.
But also make sure to edit your ini scripts so it grabs the right drive.

apsk121 · Post by **apsk121** » Wed Nov 26, 2003 2:05 pm

Brannor wrote:
Baratin Gilden wrote: Athlon 1200Mhz (running at 266mhz)
@266? I HOPE you missed the "1" key by accident

Oh I think he means his bus speed or his Ram speed.

And somebody mention using No-CD cracks .. well not only are they illeagl, but they can cause a lot of crashing. Cracks by some teams work well, while from some others do not.

Regards,
Angad.

Mistcaller · Post by **Mistcaller** » Wed Nov 26, 2003 2:13 pm

I dont think no-cd cracks are illegal, if you use them legally... and I do use the nwn one since the nwn SoU CD destroyed my CD-Rom...

Baratin Gilden · Post by **Baratin Gilden** » Wed Nov 26, 2003 4:17 pm

Dont worry about the 1200mhz athlon 266mhz melaky, thats me probably getting my DDR and Bus speed mixed up. The way I remember it , it runs at 133mhz, but because its ddr it runs at 266mhz.

Terminology confusion. fergit about it.

I had also noticed the problem came about around the same time the 1.32 patch was released 25th september? Thing is I cant remember for sure if the problems started pre/post 1.32 patch.

Strangg · Post by **Strangg** » Wed Nov 26, 2003 6:20 pm

Another posibility is video drivers, i've found that sometimes, new drivers aren't near as good as some of the older ones. I was having this same issue and i just reverted to older drivers and all was good. Also, do what Brannor mentioned, it is the same with Win2K as well, turn that option off, it will help you find the problem easier. All errors are logged so you can go see what the problem was.

~S

Brannor · Post by **Brannor** » Wed Nov 26, 2003 9:30 pm

@Strangg:
Yes, as I had mentioned in the other topic (Spell and his lagg) the current official nvidia 52.16 drivers are fucked.
No, they are beyond fucked.

get the old ones.
http://www.guru3d.com

I still think we need that soft-/hardware-forum.
These help-me threads are clogging up the nwn boards.
(no offence to the posters)

Baratin Gilden · Post by **Baratin Gilden** » Thu Nov 27, 2003 11:48 am

The Nvidia drivers may well be fucked as you say, but I dont believe they are to blame in this event.
My old system had a Nvdia Geforece 3 ti200 using the drivers a step down from 52.16) , my new system uses a Radeaon 9600 pro, completely different make of card, with Catalyst drivers; both producing the same error.

I checked my system for the anti-blaster worm microsoft update. I was right it was already installed, and no sign of virus on system, ( I also got a Macfree anti virius stinger for blaster variations, but again nothing).

Sadly I couldnt find any new drivers for my plextor burner (48x24x48a) or the samsung CD/DVD SD-616F. the drivers used are the 1/7/2001 micosoft signed drivers that came with Win XP.

I played Mafia on the PC for many hours straight last night without a hiccup.
I also kept a record of the heat, fan speed and voltage, none reported any errors.
Tonight Im gonna try Max Payne 2 (another demanding graphics games).
Should that work fine, I'll risk installing basic NWN as seen if it works, and then add SOU and see if it works. If it works up to patch 1.31 I'll know if it the 1.32 patch itself to blame.
Probably do this upgrade over a couple nights to give it a through testing.

Baratin Gilden · Post by **Baratin Gilden** » Fri Dec 05, 2003 12:55 pm

Asus A7n8x -deluxe motherboard, 256mb 333mhz cas2 RAM (running single channel mode) rev 2.0 Printed Circuit Board. Bios Rev 1006
XP 2600 CPU (running 333mhz like the ram).
Tachyon G9600 Pro
CD/dvd rom
CDburner
soundblaster live player 5.1
samsung barracuda 80gigs harddrive
300Watts case.

There’s a light (over at the Frankenstein place) at the end of the tunnel.

Not sure what was the problem on my old system but I’ve resolved the problem on the new one above.
There was nothing wrong with the power supply, or the cd’s or the updates it appears.

I installed just the basic NWN with No updates, unfortunately the rebooting kept on happening. Which at least ruled out that the updates were causing the problem.

UPDATING THE BIOS FROM rev 1006 TO rev 1007 RESOLVED THE REBOOTNG PROBLEMS.

I updated the bios and have not had a rebooting error. The Basis NWN without error ran fine for over 2 hours, (Wednesday night)
I then installed SOU, which updates it to 1.30 and played for another 2 hours without any problems. (Thursday night)
After that I updated to version 1.32 without problems.
I then installed The Avlis Haks and started it up.
I was Avlis last night without any errors either.

The Motherboard BIOS update I used was for rev 2.0 PCB ONLY.
Its description is:
Update SATA ROM to 4.2.15;
Improve system stability with Hynix and PSC memory modules.

Note that I use Kingston Ram, not the two mentioned, So I’m thinking that either:
A) Kingston buys memory modules from Hynix or PSC to use on their RAM sticks
or
B) There is something else updated in the BIOS which they haven’t detailed.

So update your BIOS people and see if that helps.

Note : I only use a 300 Watt Case, and this is NOT a power supply problem people.

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