New PW out

VampGrim · Post by **VampGrim** » Thu Oct 02, 2003 10:52 pm

Just thought I would inform everyone on a new great PW out.

Currently 200+ areas .. great difficulty level, PNP style quests.

Its not really what I like to call a newb hang out. The encounters are well thought out and very difficult.

http://vampclan.com

http://forum.vampclan.com

Silk · Post by **Silk** » Fri Oct 03, 2003 3:53 am

Interesting: http://vampclan.com/index.php?gifts=set

Titanium Dragon · Post by **Titanium Dragon** » Fri Oct 03, 2003 3:57 am

*cough*[/quote]

terryrayc · Post by **terryrayc** » Fri Oct 03, 2003 4:20 am

I'm all for that...Hey what can I get here for my donation?

madhatter · Post by **madhatter** » Fri Oct 03, 2003 4:21 am

So how long would you guys say before the lawsuit?

Manuel the White · Post by **Manuel the White** » Fri Oct 03, 2003 4:22 am

Hrrmmmm. Well, the website one isn't a bad idea.

Gairus · Post by **Gairus** » Fri Oct 03, 2003 4:28 am

Lawsuit? Surely not. I mean, they're obviously geniouses and would have reasearched for a loophole beforehand...

/sigh. The quality of crime these days.

Titanium Dragon · Post by **Titanium Dragon** » Fri Oct 03, 2003 8:01 am

Why do people do this? Seriously?

Heronimous Fox · Post by **Heronimous Fox** » Fri Oct 03, 2003 10:10 am

Cant be doing it seriously...web site has disappeared....now i am intrigued about the comments above

Drakuul · Post by **Drakuul** » Fri Oct 03, 2003 10:13 am

I can still access the site...

Heronimous Fox · Post by **Heronimous Fox** » Fri Oct 03, 2003 10:18 am

As can I now......wonder what a kill list is?......and as to the rest..... err ....

Jordicus · Post by **Jordicus** » Fri Oct 03, 2003 12:46 pm

well.. it's down again.... so fill us in here... for those who were not able to see it for ourselves...

Silk · Post by **Silk** » Fri Oct 03, 2003 12:50 pm

terryrayc wrote:I'm all for that...Hey what can I get here for my donation?

A chub knowing that you helped pay for the next server and our next ISP bill.

Gairus · Post by **Gairus** » Fri Oct 03, 2003 12:57 pm

Silk's link was a "donation" page. I only vaguely remember it but it was along the lines of:

$5 listed as contributor
$10 item named after you
$10 1d8 elemental damage on a weapon
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$50 some stupid demigod thingy for a PC
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$100 We'll customize something funky.
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Illegal

KTA · Post by **KTA** » Fri Oct 03, 2003 12:58 pm

Yes! What is this all about?

KTA

Demandred · Post by **Demandred** » Fri Oct 03, 2003 1:10 pm

$5 1 Weapon +5
$10 3 Weapons +5
$15 1 Weapon +5 plus Special effect
$25 Holy Order of your own
$35 Holy/Unholy Order of your own plus established spy network plus one active spy PC at 5 enemy Orders you pick (extra Orders and guilds cost $4.95 each!)
$50 Personal DM quest for 5 friends plus one special magical item for each (for extra special magical items contact the team for a pricelist)
$75 Bann one PC ($80 if he/she has previously been awarded as RPotM)
$90 Have a server named after you or your GF
$95 Convert one PC to NPC plus two paged backround with adventures of heroic deeds for him
$100 Convert one PC to Avlis God (higher price if portfolio already taken)

"Hello, I would like to order one Paladin, two longswords +5, one cheesburger and a large Coke please..."

KTA · Post by **KTA** » Fri Oct 03, 2003 1:12 pm

Titanium Dragon · Post by **Titanium Dragon** » Fri Oct 03, 2003 1:23 pm

From their website:

$5 - Your name on the site as a donator
$10 - A cloak on the armor of your choosing
$20 - 1d8 elemental damage on the weapon of your choosing
$30 - Your own apartment in the PW city you wish to live in, with a map pin and lockable door
$50 - A special DM quest for an epic item
$75 - A special custom character face from the hak for a new character along with a unique epic level item for your character
$100 - a new epic character with custom face, special item, and a stronghold
$100+ - We will discuss it based on your donation

terryrayc · Post by **terryrayc** » Fri Oct 03, 2003 2:03 pm

Okay I'll take this one

$100 - a new epic character with custom face, special item, and a stronghold

I'd like my stronghold Right outside the gates of Mikona....oh and does that come with my own staff....someone needs to change the sheets

Vanor · Post by **Vanor** » Fri Oct 03, 2003 2:40 pm

Titanium Dragon wrote:From their website:
$30 - Your own apartment in the PW city you wish to live in, with a map pin and lockable door

Hmmm I wonder if Orl would go for that, and be willing to split it 75/25 with me...

Sili · Post by **Sili** » Fri Oct 03, 2003 2:43 pm

Titanium Dragon wrote: $30 - , with a map pin

My life would finally be complete/

Sindol · Post by **Sindol** » Fri Oct 03, 2003 4:45 pm

Basic point, for those people that think it's just cheesy, is that it is probably a direct violation of the NWN EULA (End User License Agreement). In more plain words: it's not allowed to make money of products (modules or PWs) you made with NWN or associated tools.

Actually · Post by **Actually** » Fri Oct 03, 2003 4:53 pm

For the record, the issue of charging for in-game content has been beaten to ten types of death on the official Bioware forums. The real facts of the matter are:

A. Bioware probably doesn't really have the resources to chase after this sort of thing, and would rather spend it's time developing games, and...

B. Atari probably DOES have the resources to chase after this sort of thing, but it'll be a cold day in hell before they mobilize to do it.

So, if it bothers you to the point you feel you must act, about the furthest extent you can really go to is e-mailing Maximus at NWN Vault and asking him to remove their listing from the PW database, provided they are listed at all. Maximus has gone on record as saying that he will not support PW's that participate in a pay-for-perks system.

Also, it's worth noting that Maximus implemented this policy as a result of community pressure only. He claims that, previously, he had contacted Bioware about this very issue, and was told basically, "we can't/won't/don't bother with this."

Bye Now,
Jerry Cornelius - NWN Reporter

Pharik · Post by **Pharik** » Fri Oct 03, 2003 4:56 pm

Im not in agreement with this but look again people.

What they say is that they will _gift_ donators with a reward. This is not a direct violation of EULA and quite frankly even if it was deemed to be Bioware would do nothing about it.

Urath sold custom items/skins to its playerbase for nearly a year. Bioware didnt react despite the protest from the community. It was only a dwindling/almost non-existing playerbase - and possibly a change of control - that saw a change in policy.

Manuel the White · Post by **Manuel the White** » Fri Oct 03, 2003 5:43 pm

I'd rather check out this PW:
http://nwvault.ign.com/community/gamewo ... 1724.shtml

Be sure to click the link to the website.