Prestige Classes

Sili · Post by **Sili** » Tue May 27, 2003 8:14 pm

CuRoi wrote: Can I have what?s behind door number two?

Ok contestant CuRoi would like door number two. You do realize that picking door 2 will prevent you from having door 1. Welllll Samantha tell him what he's won.

A date with............................................Hugar!!!

The Watcher · Post by **The Watcher** » Tue May 27, 2003 8:19 pm

so if this is the role that the Blackguards are going to fill, then they will be CE restricted. I guess we will find out in a month or so....

If you scour the 3rd Ed. PHB and/or DMG you will find a section that details which alignments divine worshippers (ie paladins, clerics, and anti-paladins and the like) may be. The 3rd Ed. ruling is such:

You may only be one alignment step away. In D&D, alignment is based on two continuums, the "lawful/neutral/chaotic" continuum and the "good/neutral/evil" continuum. You can be any combination of those 6. Being only one alignment step away means one step in EITHER continuum, NOT both. For example, if a deity is chaotic evil, its divine worshippers may be chaotic evil (same alignment), chaotic neutral (one step away in the evil/good continuum), or neutral evil (one step away in the law/chaos continuum). You may *not* be Lawful Evil, because it requires two steps, chaotic->neutral->lawful.

If you think about this, in an IC way, it makes sense. Not every worshipper of a CE deity would necessarily be a ravenous juggernaut of evil. Some may be power hungry and self-serving with a "I don't care what it takes to get what I want" attitude, also known as Neutral evil. They may embrace the chaos the deity embodies, but not be as "hardcore" evil about it, they may just do whatever seems best to them at the moment to accomplish their goals. That type of person would do good or evil to further the goals of their deity. If an act of good seemed to further their ambition more so than evil, they'd go that way.

Of course, I may be wasting my breath, or um, typing, as it's ultimately up to the DM what alignment(s) will be allowed and which not, but if going strictly by 3rd Ed. rules, it is as I have stated.

Vergilius · Post by **Vergilius** » Tue May 27, 2003 8:21 pm

FunkOdyssey wrote:Or 2 months, or 3 months, depending on how far the release continues to get pushed back.

If these guys were writing software for my company they'd be long gone by now.

1 month is the best guess I've seen. Gaming companies generally don't give release dates because if they actually meet them, they send out a crap game. The best we can do is look at what the the computer gaming stores are saying 17th-24th June is the range across 4 stores that I've seen. If they do actually hit that deadline, we should hear a gold annoucement fairly soon.

To me it doesn't matter if its July 17th, I won't be back until the 22nd of July anyway.

Voyor · Post by **Voyor** » Tue May 27, 2003 9:37 pm

For what I read on several boards:

Availability: This item will be released on June 24, 2003.

At least, on Amazon.com

Lets hope they have the job done before that time

Vanor · Post by **Vanor** » Tue May 27, 2003 9:46 pm

Voyor wrote:For what I read on several boards:
Availability: This item will be released on June 24, 2003.
At least, on Amazon.com

Lets hope they have the job done before that time

That is 99% likely to be complete and utter bullshit. I remember going though this with NWN when it first came out, and many other games.

Sites that sell the games, always come up with release dates, that they quite litterly pick out of the air. They have no more clue about when the game will be out then anyone who reads the Bioware boards. No one from Bioware or the publisher gives these people release information that isn't given to the public.

I know for NWN, there were about 10 different release dates posted on more then one site at a time, and none of them were even close.

The only thing you can rely on, is the gold anousement from Bioware.

@Funk How can they miss the release date, when they never set one?

FunkOdyssey · Post by **FunkOdyssey** » Tue May 27, 2003 9:47 pm

I don't know if anyone remembers this, but this expansion was originally supposed to come out at the end of March. So they have already pushed it back quite a bit.

Vanor · Post by **Vanor** » Tue May 27, 2003 9:51 pm

FunkOdyssey wrote:I don't know if anyone remembers this, but this expansion was originally supposed to come out at the end of March. So they have already pushed it back quite a bit.

No, it wasn't. Bioware has never given any sort of official or even unofficial release date. Other then "When it's done." Any sort of date mentioned anywhere is nothing more then wishful thinking. The closet Bioware came to a release date was a target of spring of 2003

Vergilius · Post by **Vergilius** » Tue May 27, 2003 10:09 pm

The word was March for quite some time. It was rumor and speculation, then it got pushed WAYYYYYYY back when Fans went riot on them for only having two prestige classes. Who knows what other features they put in there too, and who knows how much beaurocracy they had to crawl through to get there. You have a lot of channels that "approval" must go through. Bioware: the original designers, Floodgate: expansion designers, Wizards of the Coast: DnD is their thing, there is licensing involved.

Gaming companies do leak a bit more information to the stores than they do to the general populace and then use the Rhetoric that "Those stores are making guesses and we didn't give them that information" The big issue now is that the game is supposed to be released in the "spring" that was the release window. The stores seem to expect them to make the window but just barely, thus they call it for the last few days of Spring. Considering all these stores called NWN gold last year the day before Bioware made the official public announcement, they are at least getting some information that we aren't, if if its a sales' reps best guess.

To be honest, from everything I've read, its basically done short of bug testing. Even if it is delayed again, I don't see it going past July.

Pharik · Post by **Pharik** » Wed May 28, 2003 6:29 am

Gaming companies do leak a bit more information to the stores than they do to the general populace and then use the Rhetoric that "Those stores are making guesses and we didn't give them that information"

I agree. A friend of mine looked in 3 stores for NWN during March to no avail. The manager of the 3rd shop told her they were expecting new releases with the expansion included so hadnt re-stocked NWN.

eNTrOpY · Post by **eNTrOpY** » Wed May 28, 2003 2:33 pm

Vanor wrote:But I personaly wouldn't worry about everyone taking 1 level of something, simply for the ablity it gives. First off, we can't controll that really. There's far to many PC's out there.

I do, and I have made people relevel should i see "powergamish" class combinations. Paladin 1/sorcerer 5/monk 1 for example. rogue x/shadowdancer 1 will be on my list unless the person is actually putting lvls into shadowdancer

jadeia · Post by **jadeia** » Fri May 30, 2003 6:29 am

EB in Perth just confirmed it would be a June release. They started taking pre-payment orders in January, and I signed up and paid then. They contacted me today to say they had been given the word from the distributors in Sydney, and they would take their first shipment in June.

We'll see. We'll see.

Post by **Orleron** » Fri May 30, 2003 12:57 pm

Don't forget that we won't be switching to SoU the very minute it comes out. We may be giving people as long as a month after it comes out to get it before we actually make it live on Avlis.