Rangers and deities

Kroax · Post by **Kroax** » Sat Aug 14, 2004 1:45 pm

Hello

While I'm waiting to get a response on my application (it's gone 48 hours since I sent it) I've been planing on a character. At this point his class leans toward ranger.

Some questions about rangers though:

Which gods can they choose if they want to use spells (I'm thinking of the Nature-deity-stuff)?

If I choose another deity (a non-nature-deity) will I be able to use spells that aren't very "natural"? Maybe simulating knowledge instead of magic?

If I choose a non-nature deity and is not allowed to use my spells, will I still be allowed to play a ranger if I don't use my spells? (In worst case scenario I could drop Wisdom to 10 so I won't be able to cast spell)

I'd be thankfull of any help getting theese questions answered.

NamligSirhc · Post by **NamligSirhc** » Sat Aug 14, 2004 2:11 pm

You can choose whatever diety you want, but some of the better choices for a ranger would be Dru'El and Pelar. But you can get your divine power from whatever diety you choose to worship. I can't really think of any ranger spells that aren't somewhat tied to nature, so I'm not to sure what you mean in your second question.
Anywyas hopefully I've answered your questions. Also check out the complete dietiesd listing, including all the intermidiate, lesser and demigods, you don't have to pick one of the 9 primary dieties, just read through the descriptions and see what one fits how you envision your character.

Jordicus · Post by **Jordicus** » Sat Aug 14, 2004 2:14 pm

viewtopic.php?p=103510#103510

as to the other part of your question. currently a ranger can have any diety or even no diety in their diety field and continue to cast spells with no change. However, very soon we will be implementing a Divine casting limitation system, where you will need to have the proper diety assigned in order to cast past lvl 3 spells. for a ranger, it's not a great limitation as you really don't have a lot of higher spells, but there will be a small effect

Jordicus · Post by **Jordicus** » Sat Aug 14, 2004 2:16 pm

NamligSirhc wrote:You can choose whatever diety you want, but some of the better choices for a ranger would be Dru'El and Pelar. But you can get your divine power from whatever diety you choose to worship. I can't really think of any ranger spells that aren't somewhat tied to nature, so I'm not to sure what you mean in your second question.
Anywyas hopefully I've answered your questions. Also check out the complete dietiesd listing, including all the intermidiate, lesser and demigods, you don't have to pick one of the 9 primary dieties, just read through the descriptions and see what one fits how you envision your character.

actually that is mistaken. Rangers are limited in their diety selection the same as Druids are.

Kroax · Post by **Kroax** » Sat Aug 14, 2004 2:35 pm

Jordicus wrote:viewtopic.php?p=103510#103510

as to the other part of your question. currently a ranger can have any diety or even no diety in their diety field and continue to cast spells with no change. However, very soon we will be implementing a Divine casting limitation system, where you will need to have the proper diety assigned in order to cast past lvl 3 spells. for a ranger, it's not a great limitation as you really don't have a lot of higher spells, but there will be a small effect

I saw that thread earlier, but I wasn't shure of how to interpret it because of some other threads discussing it. Now I know how.

I might end up using a non-nature deity, as I'm not sure if the nature-deities fits my vision of the character. Will the spellcasting of the lvl 3 and lower spells be suported IC or should I just drop spellcasting? (Now that I think of it, maybe spellcasting won't fit the vision either...)

As a side note, will I be able to convert to another god later?

Thanks for the help!

Jordicus · Post by **Jordicus** » Sat Aug 14, 2004 2:39 pm

Kroax wrote:As a side note, will I be able to convert to another god later?

Yes. either by find a temple of that god whose priest offers to convert you, or via DM help

Kroax · Post by **Kroax** » Sat Aug 14, 2004 2:49 pm

Jordicus wrote:
Kroax wrote:As a side note, will I be able to convert to another god later?
Yes. either by find a temple of that god whose priest offers to convert you, or via DM help

Great! Now I won't have to be afraid of choosing the wrong deity.

Vichan Lyonsen · Post by **Vichan Lyonsen** » Sat Aug 14, 2004 3:38 pm

Jordicus wrote:
NamligSirhc wrote:You can choose whatever diety you want, but some of the better choices for a ranger would be Dru'El and Pelar. But you can get your divine power from whatever diety you choose to worship. I can't really think of any ranger spells that aren't somewhat tied to nature, so I'm not to sure what you mean in your second question.
Anywyas hopefully I've answered your questions. Also check out the complete dietiesd listing, including all the intermidiate, lesser and demigods, you don't have to pick one of the 9 primary dieties, just read through the descriptions and see what one fits how you envision your character.
actually that is mistaken. Rangers are limited in their diety selection the same as Druids are.

I've seen the list of dieties that can have Druid followers, is the same list apply to Rangers? I never found any such things in my research for the books of gods and would bear strong mention somewhere if there is a limited selection of gods for Rangers. The ranger has no alignment restrictions like a druid...sounds like my Goretharian ranger will have to be shelved.

keikobad · Post by **keikobad** » Sat Aug 14, 2004 6:56 pm

Jordicus wrote:viewtopic.php?p=103510#103510

as to the other part of your question. currently a ranger can have any diety or even no diety in their diety field and continue to cast spells with no change. However, very soon we will be implementing a Divine casting limitation system, where you will need to have the proper diety assigned in order to cast past lvl 3 spells. for a ranger, it's not a great limitation as you really don't have a lot of higher spells, but there will be a small effect

I'm a bit confused. Your other response said that rangers were limited to the same deities as druids, but this mechanism seems to allow for rangers that don't do that. Is there any way a ranger could start by or end up worhsipping, say, Angadar? And could he continue to level as a Ranger once he did, just not get the spells?

Jordicus · Post by **Jordicus** » Sat Aug 14, 2004 7:14 pm

no. IC rangers are under the same restrictions as druids when it comes to their divine magic. they receive it from the limited selection of dieties that are available to druids.

however, realisitically we will not do anything to further limit the useof their magic other than the divine casting restrictions being already worked on. i.e. OOC you can get away with it, but it is not recomended. just like you can OOC have a druid of Berryn, even though Berryn doesn't support druids..

so there should be no Rangers of Angadar, because Angadar doesn't support Druids/Rangers or nature in general

Fuzz · Post by **Fuzz** » Sat Aug 14, 2004 7:53 pm

Jordicus wrote:no. IC rangers are under the same restrictions as druids when it comes to their divine magic. they receive it from the limited selection of dieties that are available to druids.

however, realisitically we will not do anything to further limit the useof their magic other than the divine casting restrictions being already worked on. i.e. OOC you can get away with it, but it is not recomended. just like you can OOC have a druid of Berryn, even though Berryn doesn't support druids..

so there should be no Rangers of Angadar, because Angadar doesn't support Druids/Rangers or nature in general

Thing is, by 3E I was always under the impression that Ranger divine spells weren't necessarily under the same nature restrictions as Druids in some cases... for example, you could easily have a Ranger of Corellon because a large portion of warrior elves are Rangers... similarly you could probably have an Evil ranger of Wilsash or Xenon, since Lycanthropy, while a curse, is still in some ways natural... the lack of the alignment restriction for Rangers was what gave them more flexibility, and similarly limits their spellcasting ability to level 4 spells, since really they don't have nearly as strong a connection to nature as Druids do.

But it's the team's call on it... strikes me as a bit off, since a select few of a Ranger's divine spells involve nature... they're primarily all about hunting or UNDERSTANDING nature, which is not the same as worshipping it.

Jordicus · Post by **Jordicus** » Sat Aug 14, 2004 8:01 pm

it's the way it's been from the begining. it's not a change being instituted.

Avlis Druids do not conform to 3E rules, as they are a representative of a specific god, not an agent of nature or balance. Rangers follow the same rules.

So just as there can be no Druid of Wilsash, there can be no Ranger of Wilsash.

Maximinus_Thrax · Post by **Maximinus_Thrax** » Sat Aug 14, 2004 8:55 pm

I have a tenth level ranger that has converted in game to Pelar, but originally put nothing in the deity box. When the restrictions go in to effect, does this mean i'll never be able to cast 4th level spells? Is the in game conversion sufficient to be able to cast them? Thanks in advance

Jordicus · Post by **Jordicus** » Sat Aug 14, 2004 9:02 pm

Maximinus_Thrax wrote:I have a tenth level ranger that has converted in game to Pelar, but originally put nothing in the deity box. When the restrictions go in to effect, does this mean i'll never be able to cast 4th level spells? Is the in game conversion sufficient to be able to cast them? Thanks in advance

yes

Aloro · Post by **Aloro** » Sat Aug 14, 2004 9:11 pm

Maximinus_Thrax wrote:I have a tenth level ranger that has converted in game to Pelar, but originally put nothing in the deity box. When the restrictions go in to effect, does this mean i'll never be able to cast 4th level spells? Is the in game conversion sufficient to be able to cast them? Thanks in advance

Yes, the in-game conversion suffices. You should always be able to cast the spells, provided you worship a god that grants nature magic (has druids and thus rangers), and provided you continue to fulfil the alignment and other requirements of your god.

- Aloro

Kroax · Post by **Kroax** » Sat Aug 14, 2004 9:12 pm

Jordicus wrote:
Maximinus_Thrax wrote:I have a tenth level ranger that has converted in game to Pelar, but originally put nothing in the deity box. When the restrictions go in to effect, does this mean i'll never be able to cast 4th level spells? Is the in game conversion sufficient to be able to cast them? Thanks in advance
yes

"Yes, you will never be able to cast 4th level spells."
or
"Yes, the game conversion is sufficient to be able to cast them."

I'd go for the later, but I think it's best to check. IIRC, changing a PCs deity is quite uncomplicated in the toolset and I belive that the team will probably be using the deity set for the PC for the Divine spellcasting system. But I might be wrong.

Edit: Someone beat me to the question.

Aloro · Post by **Aloro** » Sat Aug 14, 2004 9:14 pm

* points up *