Domains?

Spell Singer · Post by **Spell Singer** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 3:40 pm

It is not a question of if he has time to do now or in two months, I would make the list and send it in and basically forget about if it was going to be used in the future. There is no indication it would be used even in the future hence I see no point in making the effort, sorry to sound so blunt but I am just being practical.

Emprod · Post by **Emprod** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 4:01 pm

I understand the 'not enforcable' bit, but a lot of things aren't enforcable. Are character creation guidelines useless because of it? I don't think so. It's just a guideline, but it adds to the flavor of the world.

In the 'pantheon' section in "About Avlis", just adding another column called "Domains" to the description of the deity would suffice. Yes, some people will still take whatever domain has the 'best' spells in their opinion, but screw em.

Spellsinger, I don't think that just because it isn't 'hard-coded' it would be ignored or not put to good use.

WrathOG777 · Post by **WrathOG777** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 4:21 pm

The point is, there are new clerics that Request this. We as experienced clerics/followers of each diety have a good idea of how to best answer this. It is not about enforcement to us. It is about giveing the new clerics that DO care some guidelines to work with. The roleplaying 101 class is not enforced either, but it can sure help a new player a lot. This is no different.

Vergilius · Post by **Vergilius** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 6:44 pm

WrathOG777 wrote:The point is, there are new clerics that Request this. We as experienced clerics/followers of each diety have a good idea of how to best answer this. It is not about enforcement to us. It is about giveing the new clerics that DO care some guidelines to work with. The roleplaying 101 class is not enforced either, but it can sure help a new player a lot. This is no different.

I'm going to DIDDO this. We as players in our community can serve its interests by making suggestions for the benefit of others. The team is perfectly in their right to edit or remove the content, but as long as we keep cool about domains being friendly advice, I wouldn't anticipate any problems.

Spell Singer · Post by **Spell Singer** » Wed Jul 30, 2003 8:44 am

The point I am trying to make is that to show up on the web site it requires Orl's approval, to infact do it properly I have to give my suggested domain list to him (no one else would know the dieties well enough) he has to check it over, make changes, make decisions and then give it to the web site person. Now I am willing to do the initial work, but he has to be willing to do the above else my work is for naught. When he does it, that is up to him, but he has to agree to do it.

But so far as I understand from Sindol's comments that is not going to happen. If that situation changes I am willing to do the intial work.

Strangg · Post by **Strangg** » Wed Jul 30, 2003 8:58 am

I disagree that no one else will know the gods well enough, i'd liek to think one or two of use DM's who keep up with the history of Avlis would know, quite easily or possibly with a few background once overs which domains belong to whom.

~S

Spell Singer · Post by **Spell Singer** » Wed Jul 30, 2003 9:17 am

Strangg that is fine, I realy don't care who makes the decisions but someone has to, if another person would work and Orl wants to deputise them I am estatic. The offer is there, I will do the initial list and send it to whoever is going to check it over and make the this or that calls, just give me the name of the person and I'll have it done inside of a few days.

Spell Singer · Post by **Spell Singer** » Fri Nov 28, 2003 12:07 pm

I will renew this offer. Can a team member assist me in working up a list of recomended domains?

I am a good way done but I have run into several roadblocks.

I see that Alex is willing to throw down a guantlet...well in this case I am tossing mine into the fray as well, but without some help I can do no more than I have.

Any takers?

Post by **Nighthawk4** » Fri Nov 28, 2003 12:49 pm

Just my two pence worth.

1). As a Cleric is so closely connected with his or her God or Goddess, I would say that the Domains are an essential part of the character creation.

2). In view of this, they must be chosen carefully and a valid choice with respect to that God or Goddess. Your powers are granted to you directly by your Deity - more so than for any other Class, IMHO, so the Domains must be relevant. So, for example, Evil for a Cleric following Dru'El just does not work. However Chaotic He may be, a 'Good' God would never grant a Cleric access to an Evil Domain.

3). I would say that a few guidelines from those with more experience of PNP, of NWN and of Avlis particularly, would be helpful for those with less such experience. Whether this is in the form of advice from other players, advice from the Team or enforced rules from Orleron is, with all due respect, not the point. It is the content which matters.

Abdul_Caffeine · Post by **Abdul_Caffeine** » Fri Nov 28, 2003 6:08 pm

If so, can someone give me some friendly advice as a possible cleric of Forian? I mean, since Apathy, Confusion, Chaos and The Holy Chao aren't playable domains, which ones should I take?

Gairus · Post by **Gairus** » Sat Nov 29, 2003 6:33 am

I picked destruction for one
- are you familiar with the concept of entropy? Everything breaks down/is destroyed/dies eventually... not the same as an evil "I want to kill and break stuff"

Destruction fits that well, by name and with the construct ability.

Couldn't help with a second one though.

Abdul_Caffeine · Post by **Abdul_Caffeine** » Sat Nov 29, 2003 11:57 am

But entropy needs time to work over. There must have been a past where things weren't broken, and you need a future where things are more broken. This goes counter to the 'live-for-right-now' ethos.

I might take destruction anyway, just for munchkin reasons.

Gairus · Post by **Gairus** » Sat Nov 29, 2003 12:12 pm

Aye, entropy does need time to be visible...

but some followers of entropy think hat it is enough to invalidate the concept of making plans

Abdul_Caffeine · Post by **Abdul_Caffeine** » Sat Nov 29, 2003 12:25 pm

Entropy is itself a plan. Entropy says, "This isn't broken, but tomorrow, it might be." That's planning, dude.

A true Forianist would say, "This isn't broken." *SMASH* "NOW it's broken."

Halvar Yanocen · Post by **Halvar Yanocen** » Sat Nov 29, 2003 1:32 pm

Abdul_Caffeine wrote:Entropy is itself a plan. Entropy says, "This isn't broken, but tomorrow, it might be." That's planning, dude.

Thats just as much planning as saying its dark now, but when the sun rise tomorrow its going to be light again.

A true Forianist would say, "This isn't broken." *SMASH* "NOW it's broken."

I don't claim to speak as a true Forianist but my cleric of Forian would never break something simply because it isn't broken. He would smash things if he took pleasure in the act.

Gairus · Post by **Gairus** » Sat Nov 29, 2003 2:13 pm

Entropy is a plan? eh?

It's a concept, how can it be a plan?

EDIT: PS, love the sig, Abdul. Not to mention the second part of your name... you're a god <3

Abdul_Caffeine · Post by **Abdul_Caffeine** » Sat Nov 29, 2003 10:29 pm

Well, no, not a plan, more of a timetable. Entropy is, cosmically speaking, the bloke with the clipboard who comes round and looks at the plumbing and says, "well, yeah, it's working now, but it's a right bodge job, I dunno how long she'll hold for, it all breaks eventually."

Forian, by contrast, strikes me as the bloke who installed said plumbing, having a cuppa, and saying, "yeah, but it's working right now, innit?" He wouldn't necessarily break it; he might in fact sit down and fix it. It's entirely plausible that a devout follower of Forian might elaborately rewire the whole house, fix everything up and install double-glazing, just because he felt like it at the time. However, it's more likely that he'd get bored halfway through and get up and leave, with the wiring hanging out of the walls.

This leads itself to an interesting roleplaying possibility, being as humans are naturally creators and organisers. It's what we do. Humanity is a social animal; we're Lawful by our very nature. So, being a Forianist (central tenet: Do What Thou Wilt) can only be a personal creed; a society built around the worship of the Mad Lord would be:

a) Doomed from the first moment;
b) An astoundingly bad idea;
c) An astoundingly COOL idea.

I'm highly tempted.

Re my divinity: keep it to yourself.