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Avlis policy on: Attacking Temples

PostAuthor: Aloro » Sun Dec 11, 2005 11:38 pm

If you plan to attack a Temple and slay the clerics therein, please arrange to have a DM present.

Deities will not uncommonly take steps to protect their Temples and their priests, and moreover NPCs do not act intelligently to defend themselves. With no DM present, it is also very difficult for us to decide what can be known about the attackers - as the slain clerics will not uncommonly be raised soon afterwards, and divinations can also be done in some cases.

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PostAuthor: pstanton » Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:40 am

What your saying is that since an Avlissian God will typically defend his temple, we need to have a DM present to act that out?
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PostAuthor: Hert Snyder » Mon Dec 12, 2005 5:28 am

Not to mention that the priests inside would generally try to defend the place even though the NPC AI is stupid.

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PostAuthor: Aloro » Mon Dec 12, 2005 6:22 am

pstanton wrote:What your saying is that since an Avlissian God will typically defend his temple, we need to have a DM present to act that out?


What I'm saying is, if you wish to attack a Temple, any Temple, you should involve a DM. Either have one present, or get permission from one beforehand. :)

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PostAuthor: VETT SCALES L7 » Mon Dec 12, 2005 4:10 pm

Would such a ruling be considered for the Raven Underground area as well? Not religious but a type 2 guild that has thousands of npcs and this would likely be considered their main area.

Sorry for the tangent but I can see a slight similarity in how a DM should probably be consulted first before killing the npcs there.
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PostAuthor: KaiRal Windspar » Fri Dec 16, 2005 1:09 pm

VETT SCALES L7 wrote:OOC

Please read the rules on attacking type 2 guilds and inform the DMs when you are considering doing actions such as burning down or blowing up guild held or owned property. Otherwise it never happened.
Can I get clarification on this last part (emphasis added by me)? Is this the official stance with regard to Temples as well?
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PostAuthor: TheElvenKing » Fri Dec 16, 2005 2:26 pm

KaiRal Windspar wrote:
VETT SCALES L7 wrote:OOC

Please read the rules on attacking type 2 guilds and inform the DMs when you are considering doing actions such as burning down or blowing up guild held or owned property. Otherwise it never happened.

Can I get clarification on this last part (emphasis added by me)? Is this the official stance with regard to Temples as well?


No - it usually takes a major screwup for the DM staff to go back and 'invalidate' IC happenings. That isn't to say we don't discuss it teamside when something such as a Temple to [insert deity here] is attacked without prior warning or DM supervision, but it does not mean it never happpened. In the past we've evaluated on a case-by-case basis in these situations, but hopefully with the recent clarification by Aloro we won't have to discuss the validity of 'who has done what' in the future, at least where temple attacks are concerned.
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PostAuthor: Moredo » Fri Dec 16, 2005 2:37 pm

Wouldn't attacking a type 2 guild hall/house/headquarters, without DM approval be akin to the Lord Silver stunt? Even if type two guilds don't have billions and billions of epic battlemages, they do have more power than any lone PC, right?
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PostAuthor: Aloro » Fri Dec 16, 2005 4:12 pm

Folks, this specific guideline is for Temples only. The circumstances there are different from anywhere else - including such issues as divine interventions, divine agents, divinations to determine what happened after the event, etc. For these reasons, we've created this ruling for Temples and only for Temples.

For all other circumstances, we urge you to use common sense. When possible, it's always best to involve a DM if you have any doubts or questions. Send a PM or write to staff@avlis.org in those cases.

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PostAuthor: Katroine » Wed Jun 07, 2006 4:47 am

Does this include shrines and temples such as Ulor's?
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PostAuthor: Moredo » Sat Jun 10, 2006 3:07 pm

It does not include shrines, and there is a reason for Ulor getting bodyguards. :)
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PostAuthor: spool32 » Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:57 pm

Must I really bump this again?

Do not make me hunt you down with CR40 Angels who think your loot will do just fine as a peace offering to the God you offended. Instead, contact the Team, and we'll discuss the IC reasoning behind it, and run an event if appropriate and it fits our schedules, or maybe give you the OK subject to certain guidelines which we'll come up with case-by-case.

To make clear: We can possibly run an event if you have a damned good reason to attack a Temple, and you talk to us first. Otherwise, expect divine retribution. The Gods aren't fooled by your shadowed hood and *muffled squeaky voice*, even if the unpossessed NPC doesn't talk to the people who come clean up your mess.

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PostAuthor: Moredo » Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:08 pm

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Re: Avlis policy on: Attacking Temples

PostAuthor: Turkusoli » Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:01 am

Hi, just asking for a clarification in regards to this. If you come to a temple, disguised and wreathed in spells and attack pc priests who tend the place that know the npcs inside do you need to let a dm know? If the disguised person is a worshipper does it matter since he is disguised?
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Re: Avlis policy on: Attacking Temples

PostAuthor: Micah » Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:08 am

Yah bro, rule stands.

You may never attack temples without DM intervention. Its not about the PCs, its not about the NPCs, its about the eyes of the god that is watching it and will spawn instant epic level monster death on you for violating the sanctity of his/her/its house. Or not, if they don't feel like it, but the DM has to be there and know whats going on to decide.



Ignore that for a bit. Real answer coming soon... didn't realize we were talking about ... well, FOIG.
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