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Dragon Shape Item Merge

PostAuthor: Tel » Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:54 pm

Dragon Shape when I first took the feat had
    Item Merge: Armor, Helmet, Shield & Weapon (or gloves) to Unarmed attacks
Sometime later it was changed (with no notes) to
    Item Merge: All, Weapon (or gloves) to Unarmed attacks
It has now changed back to
    Item Merge: Armor, Helmet, Shield & Weapon (or gloves) to Unarmed attacks.

Rule of Thumb: (from shifter page)
    Unarmed, stands on two legs? Merges all (items and armor in base NWN, all on Avlis).
    Unarmed, four or more legs? Merges armor and primary weapon only (armor only in base NWN).


links that may have useful or wrong information
Shifter Form Replacements
Shifter Item Merge properties
Avlis Dragon Shape info page* (note this page does not exist)

What merge properties is dragon shape supposed to have, given it's epic 30 WIS and high class requirement to just take the feat. And can we get a definitive list of other properties?
to my knowledge they are (for all 3 options)
    Str 48, Dex 36, Con 32
    Size: Huge
    Bioware True-Seeing
    Immune: Sneak Attacks
    75% slashing DI
    5/+1 DR
    +20 dodge AC
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Re: Dragon Shape Item Merge

PostAuthor: Tel » Sun Jul 06, 2014 4:46 pm

*bumps the question*
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Re: Dragon Shape Item Merge

PostAuthor: Micah » Wed Jul 09, 2014 5:44 am

There has not been a dragon shape change in a minimum of 3 years, so your observations on how it works are how it is suppose to work. Feel free to update the conflicting information with what you know.
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Re: Dragon Shape Item Merge

PostAuthor: Tel » Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:32 am

There have been at least 2 changes (Intentionally or otherwise) to dragon shape.

**Editing here for clarity and adding dates**

November 2010 : This includes basic stats for the dragon forms (although not full stats, does not describe DR/DI or breath weapons)

When Tel earned the feat (lv39) The shape merged some items. I believe this was back in late '10/early '11

At some point later, I believe fairly quickly potentially mid '11/early '12 I noticed that dragon shape merged all items. This would put full dragons to the same merge stats as Wyrmlings from shifter's Greater Wildshape I

Sometime in the past few months mid '14, it has reverted back to merging some items. I can't point to the last time when I used it and it merged everything, but I'd say potentially as recently as 2-3 months ago.



Some Items: Armor, Helmet, Shield, Weapon (if no weapon Gloves to unarmed attacks)
All Items: Magical properties from armor, shield, helmet, and items ((note that I took this from the wiki))
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Re: Dragon Shape Item Merge

PostAuthor: Micah » Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:08 am

OK I'll look further into this
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Re: Dragon Shape Item Merge

PostAuthor: Tel » Wed Aug 06, 2014 1:55 am

*bumps*
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Re: Dragon Shape Item Merge

PostAuthor: Kanos » Wed Aug 06, 2014 5:14 am

I have noticed lately when using the spell shape change, items need to be re-equipped even if you are wearing them. It is why when wearing the belt of guiding light I kept getting feared anyway.
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Re: Dragon Shape Item Merge

PostAuthor: Tel » Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:13 pm

Just bumping this, as I hadn't heard anything about any changes (intentional or otherwise)

Time: Today (Tuesday 2/3/2015)
Server: Le'Or, Wilderness

Dragn Shape, Shapeshift Item merge (inconsistent)

Red Dragon: Armor, Helmet, Shield, Weapon (if you had one equipped or gloves to unarmed attacks)
Green Dragon: Armor, Helmet, Shield, Rings, Amulet, Cloak, Boots, Belt, Bracers, Weapon (if you had one equipped) or gloves to unarmed attacks.
Blue Dragon: Armor, Helmet, Shield, Weapon (if you had one equipped or gloves to unarmed attacks)

**editing to update the same merge properties on 2 servers.
Last edited by Tel on Wed Feb 04, 2015 4:54 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Dragon Shape Item Merge

PostAuthor: Filch » Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:44 pm

I can clarify this a bit, per my in-game experience, if it's allowed here in AtT.

1) There are three shapes available with the Dragon Shape feat.
2) Two of them - labeled "Red" and "Green" on the radial - merge Armor, Helmet, Shield, and Weapon, as they should.
3) The third - labeled "Blue" - merges Armor, Helmet, Shield, Bracers, Rings, Boots, and Amulet. This is likely broken, as my understanding is that only when taken with Shifter levels is Dragon Shape supposed to merge all the slots.
4) Shapechange, the vanilla 9th level mage and druid spell, correctly merges nothing at all (though perhaps that's different for AMS 3 Transmutants). This is working as intended.

In short, I think that the Blue Dragon Shape is just bonus for us druids, which you won't hear me complaining about.

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