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MANDATORY READING: CvC Rules

PostAuthor: Micah » Fri Jun 05, 2009 1:29 pm

IF YOU DO NOT SET HOSTILES BEFORE INITIATING CVC WITH AN OPPONENT YOU WILL BE TAKEN TO TASK BY THE TEAM, WITH PUNISHMENTS RANGING FROM STERN WARNINGS, TO VAULT JAILS, TO BANNING. THIS RULE IS NON-NEGOTIABLE. PERIOD.

For you to get in trouble for this, there is no grief report required. The player who doesn't get hostiled might not even care. That is not the point. The combat engine is only fully functional when hostiles are active, and not setting hostiles indicates that you are either ignorant of the rules or disrespectful of other players. You don't want to get the team thinking any of these things about you, regardless of whether you have been here for 6 months or 6 years. So learn the rules, and learn them now. The incidence of veteran community members breaking this rule is appalling.

Your first warning came with your application. This is your second, or for some of you, third or fourth. I think that's plenty lenient enough, so now the responsibility for clean CvC is on you. CvC can be extremely fun, win or lose, but only if all players adhere to and accept the non-negotiable standard set by the DMs. Setting hostiles is the first step towards achieving that.
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Re: MANDATORY READING: CvC Rules

PostAuthor: Korennya » Fri Jun 05, 2009 6:18 pm

Just a little tip for those engaged or starting to get engaged in this sorta thing. I keep our new fancy hostile "feat" quicksloted on the bottom bar, right on top so it's always there reminding me to take approprate action before actually engageing. Unless of course I'm playing my alt and I simply hostile the whole server when I log in :) THe lovely part about this new tool is you don't have to actually hit the guy with it, simply hitting the ground next to him will hostile a small radius around the target as well. Great for 1v1 or if you happen across a small army of leezard , you can generally hostile them all in one shot.
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Re: MANDATORY READING: CvC Rules

PostAuthor: spool32 » Fri Jun 05, 2009 6:49 pm

I mean, seriously folks. The Gentleman's Agreement has several stipulations, but there are only two CvC rules.

Just two! That's it!

1: No PvP... characters fight for IC reasons only.
2: Set Hostile before you attack.

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Re: MANDATORY READING: CvC Rules

PostAuthor: StormShadows » Fri Jun 05, 2009 7:19 pm

Retracted
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Re: MANDATORY READING: CvC Rules

PostAuthor: Ambrosia » Fri Jun 05, 2009 7:24 pm

rules wrote:Set your enemies to dislike: This is always the responsibility of the attacker and can be done as soon as right after logging in or as late as a split second before the actual attack but the bottom line is that it must be done.
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Re: MANDATORY READING: CvC Rules

PostAuthor: darthmullet » Fri Jun 05, 2009 7:33 pm

StormShadows wrote:I guess my one question would be what if (for whatever reason) you decided to stab a party member in the back. Setting hostile is kind of a give away that you are about to pull something...

Not that I plan (or even expect) to ever do this, I am terrible at playing evil characters. I played a LN druid in OC once, moved up to good and almost did not make it back to neutral because of my trouble performing evil acts (even in a game. I am just too much of a nice guy.) It just occurred to me that for any sort of preexisting conflict the nice little formalities work fine, but in betrayal, ambush, or surprise situations (where the point is that the other guy has no clue it is coming) I am not sure how it would work.

editIf this is answered somewhere else that is fine. I have never really looked into all the PvP stuff because I don't like doing it. I just thought I would bring this up because it might be something that someone could need clarified.


The Radial option of hostiles does not alert the target that you have hostiled them. Dropping party and hostiles are OOC acts, and should not be used in an IC fashion. ie. buffing when someone sets you hostile. This is metagaming, do not do it.

It does detract form the surprise in an ambush situation, but there is nothing we can do about it, and setting hostiles is STILL MANDATORY, period.
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Re: MANDATORY READING: CvC Rules

PostAuthor: StormShadows » Fri Jun 05, 2009 7:54 pm

That came across as a rather more snappish response than I think the question merited, I certainly did not think it was that stupid of a question. My apologies for miss-estimating its value, question retracted.

Note to self: Do not ask questions. Period.
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Re: MANDATORY READING: CvC Rules

PostAuthor: darthmullet » Fri Jun 05, 2009 7:55 pm

Questions are fine. I was just reiterating the seriousness of making sure you do it.

I will note the first part of my statement was aimed at anyone who would take such an encounter, being hostiled by a party member, as an IC act.
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Re: MANDATORY READING: CvC Rules

PostAuthor: darthmullet » Fri Jun 05, 2009 11:22 pm

StormShadows wrote:That came across as a rather more snappish response than I think the question merited, I certainly did not think it was that stupid of a question. My apologies for miss-estimating its value, question retracted.

Note to self: Do not ask questions. Period.



My point in answering your question, was that any number of situations that need clarifying could arise, and so to squelch people asking about every situation I made it a point to say that no matter what, Hostiles had to be set.
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Re: MANDATORY READING: CvC Rules

PostAuthor: Trigger » Sat Jun 06, 2009 1:20 am

Storm,

I've done that succesfully, you have to set hostiles yes, but it doesn't say when.. it can be set the very second before you hit attack, it's not to give the victim fair warning, just to make sure that all the little systems in place in our wonderful little game here work properly and that there is no confusion about your intent.

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Re: MANDATORY READING: CvC Rules

PostAuthor: Jo' d » Sat Jun 06, 2009 1:32 am

SS sez:
Note to self: Do not ask questions. Period


Not sure what vein this was presented in (shortcoming of print expression), my hope is that it was sarcasm. If it were not, I am saddened, for this community deserves better.

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Re: MANDATORY READING: CvC Rules

PostAuthor: Nighthawk4 » Sat Jun 06, 2009 9:34 am

People:

1. Calm down
2. The setting of Hostile before CVC is due to a limitation of the Game Engine - there is nothing we can do about that.
3. Doing so is a Rule which must be followed - otherwise there will be repercussions from the Team.
4. People are welcome to discuss such matters publicly, but please do so in a civil manner - the other person is also allowed their opinion, even if it disagrees with yours.

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Re: MANDATORY READING: CvC Rules

PostAuthor: Gorgon » Sat Jun 06, 2009 11:00 am

StormShadows wrote:I guess my one question would be what if (for whatever reason) you decided to stab a party member in the back. Setting hostile is kind of a give away that you are about to pull something...


You may also want to look into the rule about pickpocketing people and setting hostile first. Again, it is due to the same limitations in the game engine, so plan accordingly.

The rules section something all new players should read through while waiting for their acceptance email. Most of it is policy stuff for if/then cases that don't happen often, but it really doesn't take long to read through them all.


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Re: MANDATORY READING: CvC Rules

PostAuthor: StormShadows » Sun Jun 07, 2009 3:35 am

Trigger wrote:Storm,

Oh, and your avatar is too big :P


I figured it was a bit on the wide side. Been planning to replace it, just because I did not like that, but never found any inspiration for a new one. Did not realize there was a kb limit on avatars.That, like questions, is easily fixed.

At this rate it will probably be all of 2 weeks before I go back to WoW...

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Re: MANDATORY READING: CvC Rules

PostAuthor: Darkfire » Sun Jun 07, 2009 5:22 am

The question asked is one that has been repeated many, many times about a rule that we attempt to make as clear as possible. That in itself is fine. However, it needed to be made clear again that under no circumstances is hostile not to be set before engaging in CvC. This does not mean under any circumstance except one cleverly developed situation that we may not have thought of, but every single one. All of them.

Darthmullet's response was not malicious or snappy. It was an attempt to make it as clear as possible. Caps is not yelling or bitching, it is emphasizing the importance of what is being capitalized.

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Re: MANDATORY READING: CvC Rules

PostAuthor: Cushman » Sun Jun 07, 2009 5:03 pm

StormShadows wrote:
Trigger wrote:Storm,

Oh, and your avatar is too big :P


I figured it was a bit on the wide side. Been planning to replace it, just because I did not like that, but never found any inspiration for a new one. Did not realize there was a kb limit on avatars.That, like questions, is easily fixed.

Keep the same one, just resize it with your favorite app. *shrugs*
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Re: MANDATORY READING: CvC Rules

PostAuthor: ScottG » Sun Jun 07, 2009 5:41 pm

The hostile "feat" does not work for shifters when in a shifted form...

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Re: MANDATORY READING: CvC Rules

PostAuthor: Sarmanos » Sun Jun 07, 2009 5:44 pm

I would like to add that if you know other PCs are in the area that MAY get involved you should Hostile them as well just to be on the safe side or even send them a tell asking if they will before you do just out of courtesy(if possible).
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Re: MANDATORY READING: CvC Rules

PostAuthor: itsabughunt » Sun Jun 07, 2009 5:45 pm

Gorgon wrote:*notes that big avatars aren't as destructive these days to other posts thankfully, but are still annoying*
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Re: MANDATORY READING: CvC Rules

PostAuthor: Kandi_Nulein » Sun Jun 07, 2009 6:03 pm

ScottG wrote:The hostile "feat" does not work for shifters when in a shifted form...


It's removed from the quickslot when in Lycan form...or so I'm led to believe ;)
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Re: MANDATORY READING: CvC Rules

PostAuthor: itsabughunt » Sun Jun 07, 2009 6:15 pm

Kandi_Nulein wrote:
ScottG wrote:The hostile "feat" does not work for shifters when in a shifted form...


It's removed from the quickslot when in Lycan form...or so I'm led to believe ;)

Would it be possible to build this into an OOC inventory item, and then hot-key the item?
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Re: MANDATORY READING: CvC Rules

PostAuthor: MadK@ » Sun Jun 07, 2009 6:40 pm

This is in the works for the next hak update. Not a lot we can do about it until then sorry.
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Re: MANDATORY READING: CvC Rules

PostAuthor: Brayon » Sun Jun 07, 2009 7:33 pm

*coughs and points to the Forum section* The thread was moved to AtT... please remember to post accordingly. :-)

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Re: MANDATORY READING: CvC Rules

PostAuthor: Belasco » Sun Jun 07, 2009 9:17 pm

Since this is now in Ask the Team, any discussion needs to move to a different forum. From here on anything that is not a question will be removed, per the normal AtT thread rules.

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Re: MANDATORY READING: CvC Rules

PostAuthor: thetamlyone » Sun Jun 07, 2009 9:36 pm

Okay, I have done VERY little CvC at all, so even though I've been around here a while, I'm a noob when it comes to CvC, so I have one simple but very important question: If a DM catches me handling this incorrectly, is it going to be assumed that I'm deliberately flouting the rules? I ask because the day before this warning was posted, I was involved in some CvC (which timing spooked me all by itself), and I have been thinking about that incident. The other players had set us to hostile I am pretty sure (but not positive about all three), and they were in the middle of a cloud of hostile npc's. Frankly, they were DP'd before I had much chance to realize they were there....and we did res them and have a nice RP session afterward, so I like to think all was handled correctly. Actually, one more question....just to show you how inexperienced I am with CvC :)....if the other person sets me to "dislike," is there more to be done before Thralia attempts to put an arrow through his eye?
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