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Important PSA: Shifters, please read!

PostAuthor: RCon » Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:29 pm

Do you have a Shifter? Have you ever noticed that every once in a while when transitioning or unshifting, you suddenly go into the bleedscript? If so, I suspect your shifter was wearing CON boosting gear. Bear with me here, but put simply...

CON boosting gear can kill shifters

Yup, that's right. If you're wearing CON gear that merges, it might kill you. Wait, what? CON gear gives me more HP and keeps me alive longer! Well yes, normally that's true, except... When you unshift, all the bonuses from your mergeable gear briefly disappears then is reapplied in your normal form (oddly, this doesn't happen when shifting, only when unshifting). For most bonuses, this is no big deal. Say you're wearing a +3 STR ring and you unshift; your effective STR might go from 13 to 10 then back to 13 in a split second. Meh, no problem. Ditto for DEX, AC bonuses, your battle bands, etc.

But... for a CON bonus, in the semi-rare situation where you are low on HP, it is possible that you unshift, lose your CON bonus, and end up dying before it gets reapplied. For example:

* PC is level 30
* PC is wearing a +2 CON ring and is shifted into a form that merges rings
* PC is down to 25 HP (bravely run away, Sir Robin!)

If you unshift at this moment, you will lose 30 HP when the CON bonus from the ring is unapplied. The CON bonus would normally be reapplied immediately thereafter, but in this case it is too late because the bleedscript has already fired when 25 - 30 = -5 HP.

Having fun yet? Wait, it gets worse. Ever notice how every once in a while when you transition from one area to another while shifted, you briefly unshift and reshift? Awesome, because the Temp HP bonus from your shape gets reapplied, right? Right. Except if you're low on HP and wearing CON gear. This can also send you into the bleedscript if the brief loss of HP drops you below 0 HP.

But wait, don't call the number on your screen yet, there's more! What, seriously? That's not bad enough? If you were holding a weapon when you shifted, and the above happens to you, AND that brief loss of HP drops you below -10 HP, your weapon might disappear. I'm not sure if this happens to all weapons or only plot weapons, but either way, it sucks.

By the way, the unapply/reapply thing also affects gear that grants bonus spell slots and bonus spell slots granted via ability score bonus.


tl;dr version... If you are a shifter, do NOT wear CON boosting gear (unless you're one of those Dru'Elites that like to party in the death plane).
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Re: Important PSA: Shifters, please read!

PostAuthor: wyrmwood » Sat Feb 13, 2016 9:34 pm

Thanks for the insight, RCon. This is a huge help.
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Re: Important PSA: Shifters, please read!

PostAuthor: TwiBel » Sun Feb 14, 2016 5:01 pm

This is true for regular wildshape for druids as well.
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Re: Important PSA: Shifters, please read!

PostAuthor: RCon » Sun Feb 14, 2016 9:32 pm

TwiBel wrote:This is true for regular wildshape for druids as well.

Right, the same issues would apply to druids in animal, elemental, or dragon shapes.
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Re: Important PSA: Shifters, please read!

PostAuthor: GunnJ » Sun Feb 14, 2016 10:33 pm

Same for mages who cast CON spells, I've watched mages rest after spell duels and the like and then die in their sleep, so to speak. It one of those things that takes practice to watch out for, heal to >30+ and then rest.
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Re: Important PSA: Shifters, please read!

PostAuthor: Tel » Mon Feb 15, 2016 12:35 am

You can suffer the same death if your shifted Con is higher than your normal Con when unshifting, even without extra spells. (Remember Str/Dex/Con get changed for all transformations)

I'm not sure if you can die in transition from normal/polymorphed Con difference, but I wouldn't recommend doing that at low HP anyway.
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Re: Important PSA: Shifters, please read!

PostAuthor: RCon » Mon Feb 15, 2016 1:35 am

Tel wrote:You can suffer the same death if your shifted Con is higher than your normal Con when unshifting, even without extra spells. (Remember Str/Dex/Con get changed for all transformations)

I'm not sure if you can die in transition from normal/polymorphed Con difference, but I wouldn't recommend doing that at low HP anyway.

You shouldn't ever die just from shifted CON changing on unshift, as it's supposed to take that into account. In my case, I know this has only ever happened when I was wearing CON gear. Even if I unshift at very low HP, I've never died on unshift since I stopped wearing the CON boosts.
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