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Re: Where did everyone go???

PostAuthor: Toadyx » Sun Aug 21, 2011 11:56 am

solitude_peace2 wrote:You can't swing a dead cat without hitting someone ready to help RP crafting, right? I have a PC that was shown how to make Bags of Fire. The idea was "Here, I'll show you how, now make some for me and I'll buy what you make."

My PC has made quite a few Bags of Fire. Haven't seen the Teacher again since.


Ummmmmm ....... wasn't me, was it? Sorta sounds like me.

If it was ... sorry, but I parked my main for the best part of a year (except for events). I'll still buy them though, if you haven't sold them already.

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Re: Where did everyone go???

PostAuthor: Stravento » Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:56 pm

A few other ideas for crafting:

1) allow crafting guild events, crafting guild classes, crafting-crumping to generate substantial amount of crafting xp
My major problem with crafting is that I love the interaction with the crafters, but the solo-work required to do anything meaningful is so time-consuming and repetitive that it is not fun for me. I organized a couple of crafting-crumping mining gems with my guild to make the process more fun for all involved, but it is clear that you have to spend days by yourself crafting to become a minimally skilled crafter. What if crafting in a group would give a bonus of x% xp in the crafting skill? That way there would be an incentive to teach and to organize groups for crafting.

2) introduce an xp weekly cap for crafting and increase A LOT the amount of xp you get from a crafting session
The idea being that the crafting xp accumulation should become similar to the crumping standard xp accumulation. I can barely log twice a week, with one login devoted to crumping or a dm event I accumulate a decent amount of xp in a couple of hours if I am in a group, if I try the same with crafting the group actually reduces the amount of xp I get because we have to share the ingredients! Currently crafting has an embedded incentive to solo. You solo, you get more ingredients, you get more xp.

3) rationalize and streamline the locations where you can buy tools and ingredients necessary for crafting
Close to mines and easy crafting locations there should be store that sell all the tools required for the crafts and npc that guide newbies and maybe give a miniquest to mine x things, and refine x things and so on and so forth.

Ideas for the standard xp accumulation:

1) make the current bonus for not logging cumulative with the xp you gather during the week, keeping the cap
This is to increase the incentive for casual players.

2) Allow guild-leaders to give xp cookies
This should be limited in the way the team decides (e.g. once a week, a fixed total pool depending on the size and importance of the guild, a limit per character). But it would add one way to reward heavy role players that are not interested in crumping. I think participating in an rp only guild meeting should give something similar to participate in a crumping. Given the maturity of the playerbase I really do not see an issue with this. Start with a pilot program with a few guilds and monitor their behavior than slowly extend it to all guilds. If the xp cookie that guild leaders can give are sufficiently big I bet it will revamp the weekly meeting that it is so though to maintain currently. It could also be a matter of pride for guild leaders if the amount of xp they can share grows with their guild activity and size. I am not sure how many guilds are currently sponsored, but my feeling is that really few are. Giving trusted guild leaders, that routinely organize events for the community new responsibilities could be a way to restart many guilds.

3) increase the bonus
There is an inherent non-rational pleasure in seeing your toons growing, more bonus more reasons to try new alters and show around your toons.

4) increase xp cookies from DMs significantly
I never understood why the xp cookies from DMs are so small. DM events should generate much more xp than anything else in the game. I would multiply them by 10. In my opinion a new player that participates in one of the rp event recently organized in Zvi deserve a sizeable amount of experience. DM events are currently top heavy for a a variety of reasons, one way to change that is to make sure that if my low level character participates in one he gets an amount of xp that nothing else in Avlis can generate in the same amount of time.

other ideas:
1) I remember a few years back a project of having part of the community helping out with some Avlis lore. I think that was a great idea. I am thinking something like the beautiful constellation of Avlis wiki page, more than the secret story of x that nobody has told you before. I think it should be contest based, like the rp of the month. There should be a submission period, specific rules, like the piece cannot alter the canon, it has to have a certain length and so on and so forth. Then the three most voted piece would become part of Avlis lore. We have impressive writers, and people with amazing ideas, we should have them contribute more! Potentially it could be part of an effort to regenerate old knowledge based guilds like ATU and others with some IG components.

2) Having the team organize one dm event for one different guild every month. We could sign up the guild that would like to participate and then DMs would take turn to organize an event. This way all the small guilds that are not sponsored would have one event once a year (maybe less depending on the ratio of guilds signing up to the DMs that would volunteer) to reinvigorate their energy. In my experience one decent DM event a year is a humongous help to organize a guild. These event could be forum events, they could have a requirement of minimum 10 players so that if the guild is too small it has to network with other guilds, or make the event public.

3) Making the community decide a bit more the changes that are being implemented. This should be dosed cum granu salis, but if there are 10 innovations that are planned for next year, and there are 5 that the team is not very sure how to prioritize, the team could allow the community to prioritize them. Having the possibility to rank them so that the Team can get a feeling of what are the priorities of the community would give a very strong sense of entitlement and ownership to us and maybe help the team to make better decisions.

These are all random ideas, but they are all rooted on the fact that the community and the DMs are much more mature than when the rules were initially created. My feeling is that when the rules were created there were hundreds of young and very young players and the first priority was fairness and preventing power-gaming. Right now such priority simply do not make much sense anymore, many of us have kids and families, probably the median age is now 30. Right now the priority is to shake things up so that there are more opportunities for casual players and new players to enjoy the game and so that old players and highly involved players have new things to do and new challenges and responsabilities. Routine is the killer of fun even if it seem comfortable in the beginning.
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Re: Where did everyone go???

PostAuthor: Manuel the White » Thu Aug 25, 2011 2:33 am

Alts. Yes, it's not for everyone. However, I've found that having several different chars to choose from *greatly* increases my chances of logging in.

I have an alt for most groupings of players. Drashter doesn't log in to RP with Del, Fergus and Ariana. Yala does. Hush likes Rain, and Lute, etc. Zven? Well, anything goes with that nut.

Sometimes I'll play the role of antagonist. Other times, not so much.

Just a thing.
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Re: Where did everyone go???

PostAuthor: Plethora » Thu Aug 25, 2011 2:37 am

*blames Snow*

I would agree with you, but then, we would both be wrong..
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Re: Where did everyone go???

PostAuthor: Geris » Thu Aug 25, 2011 3:09 am

Plethora wrote:*blames Snow*


YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I wanna tear this place apart tonight and have you thank me for my rage
Tell me what you came for, can I give you just a taste?
I wanna see you lose your fucking minds and rip apart this place

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Re: Where did everyone go???

PostAuthor: solitude_peace2 » Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:15 am

Toadyx wrote:
solitude_peace2 wrote:You can't swing a dead cat without hitting someone ready to help RP crafting, right? I have a PC that was shown how to make Bags of Fire. The idea was "Here, I'll show you how, now make some for me and I'll buy what you make."

My PC has made quite a few Bags of Fire. Haven't seen the Teacher again since.


Ummmmmm ....... wasn't me, was it? Sorta sounds like me.

If it was ... sorry, but I parked my main for the best part of a year (except for events). I'll still buy them though, if you haven't sold them already.
Sure. Just look for a rather thin robed figure with a bow working the area between the deglos gate and the Beetle cave.
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Re: Where did everyone go???

PostAuthor: solitude_peace2 » Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:18 am

Manuel the White wrote:Alts. Yes, it's not for everyone. However, I've found that having several different chars to choose from *greatly* increases my chances of logging in.

I have an alt for most groupings of players. Drashter doesn't log in to RP with Del, Fergus and Ariana. Yala does. Hush likes Rain, and Lute, etc. Zven? Well, anything goes with that nut.

Sometimes I'll play the role of antagonist. Other times, not so much.

Just a thing.

Alts? Every time I log in I have to pause at the Vault and see who wants to come out and play. Rather like Mrs. Marcos deciding on which shoes to wear, at times.
... but I do have a PC for just about every mood/ occasion.
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Re: Where did everyone go???

PostAuthor: Gumble Tinkertumble » Thu Aug 25, 2011 6:31 am

solitude_peace2 wrote:Alts? Every time I log in I have to pause at the Vault and see who wants to come out and play. Rather like Mrs. Marcos deciding on which shoes to wear, at times.
... but I do have a PC for just about every mood/ occasion.


I think I have NH4 syndrome.
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Re: Where did everyone go???

PostAuthor: Plethora » Wed Sep 23, 2015 3:27 am

Bumping this from a few years back. Network People!

Plethora wrote:heh

Its funny, I have been thrilled lately to see the return of quite a few old players, and the revival of guilds doing things together, so this thread kinda made me chuckle.. At least its good to know you guys perspective!

Avlis does tend to run in waves.. school holidays means kids and going away and summery things that concern outside and other horrors, back to school, means back to school, exams ! work schedules, end of year workload, moving house, crappy internet..etc..etc..
Also, with the master server going down, we will have less folks randomly dropping in as well.
Its an old game, but its still a good one

But there are truely folks around, I guess what I am seeing as the problem here.. is no-one logs in if no-one else logs in?
This is also true for the DM staff!
We see no-one on, and for those of us that dont have a lot of time to dm plots or events, then we do a quick cookie run and scoot off again.
But when we do see groups, we can stay, drop some extra loot, do NPC cameos, add spawns, or anything else small that we have time for.

Kind of a chicken and the egg type of problem.

Yet there are people out there folks.. I can call a dm event in an hour, in an off peek time, and still have over ten people show up.
If i book an event with a day notice? In prime time? I can get over 25...
In the words of a great wise man.. "If you book them, they will come "
We have so many servers, most of the time folks are scattered as well.

So here is my suggestions, if you wanted to have people to RP and do things with with, things that don't need DMs, yet will bring DMs

Use the forums/IRC to your advantage !!

I cannot stress this enough, all the DM staff can see every forum, so we know when you are planning things.. not enough people in your guild? Recruit people, recruit!!!

In a guild?
Host guild joining days, advertise for your guild, and set a time for folks to come and hang out, RP, maybe head off for an approperiate dungeon crawl. You dont need to be guild leader to host an open day, or lead an adventure to highlight how cool your guild is.
Seregs can hate on stuff
Keepers can smash undead
Dwarves can throw beer at each other...etc
Guards and armies can patrol

Not in a guild?
Throw up ," Help Wanted" signs, ICly ask for adventures, heros, map makers, bards, or whoever to accompany you on your perilious/exciting/bizarre personal quest for fame/glory/gold/revenge.

You want to just hang out?
Invite people to a wine tasting at the Romini camp, or a crafting event, or a Tour of Southern Negaria Trees, if you like that sort of thing.
Why wait for a trade fair? Why not have IG auction, with open places for others to auction things? and you could have it anywhere, Keros, Fort Karr, Elfgate, if you wanted too.
Book trading events
Birthday parties
Bard competitions
Lectures on stuff
Slumber parties!
Shopping!
Picnics!

Good at something? Sewing?
throw a fashion show!
Making wands?
Have a Testdrive day where peeps can check out how awesome wands are, and take orders.

A little bit naughty?
Why not throw a poker and stripper night at the Red Eye Casino?
Dont have enough strippers? Hells, petition IRC for bored folks to roll up stripper alts for you!
Lure people into the sewers and have them infected with lycanthropy
Throw a "Tours of Mikonan Temple RP event, then sacrafice the party to Maleki when you get that far
S&M night at the Pleasure Palace in the UD... *coughs*
Get all your rogue/assasin mates together, and hunt people down. (with gentlemen and ooc agreements, this can be quite cool. Bad guys, invite good guys OOCly, and vise versa!)

Love CvC, but paronoid about stuff loss? Organise a night and a server, leave your good gear at home, and play cat and mouse with a bunch of people

Start your own groups, find people in your timezone, and ~log in together~
Check out the definative dungeon list.. see where you havent been !

A great example of this was something Bobby Wallace used to do. Now, Bobby is a mage, and a member of Mikon Council of Balance, but he has a few ranger levels, so he used to do "Flora and Fauna Outings" These were great, basically, anyone could should up, and they bumbled around the place, looking in cave, discovering waterfal, almost always ending up in a dungeon, pre-planned OOCly. No DM, just great RP, with a simple IC reason to walk around the world. He did them on a certain night of the week, and OK, he started small, but eventually dms noticed, more people came.. ball rolls, and it chicken and egged the other way!

Sand used to do something similar, Sand was evil, but very charming, and would have these events, that usually ended up in a lot of death, but were good times!

Southill duelling commitee was another great concept. Everyone throws something into the purse.. fight, winner takes prize.

This could be you!!!

Religious?
Same thing.. Have a Valok Awareness Day, or Have you accepted Dagath as your personal Savior event.
Throw a Kelvos Loves you Blind date night, or The Makings: Fegell is teh Bomb.. boom, nay.. BOOM! event
Everything you needed to know about the Dead Dreamer and more! Refreshments and trip to seek out the lake of Dreams.

Want to be in a guild? Or have trouble finding one?
Same deal, post up Vampire Hater seeks Heros to smash undead notice. I bet a Keeper would at least try to make it, or whatever activity you think you would like to do.

Or even if you just wish to find a point of contact for a guild, shoot me a PM if you like, I would be happy to pass on the forum name to contact so you can be invited as a guest, or just to hook up with other folks that share the same interests.

Promote yourself, promote your guilds, and just have a think about what you can do, to get yourself, and the many players we have doing stuff together. Don't rely on other people to entertain you.. Be the one that entertains!

And dont give up, even if your event/meeting time only gets one other person? Great! thats someone to RP with, and next time you start with two, and then get another, by the time you build your groups to 4, THEN you will get the random server log ins..
Send a polite OOC tell to people when they log in.. Hey, we are all sitting at Zvi and are thinking about heading somewhere, if you wanted to come along? Then DMs see you.. etc.. etc..

Be flexible, have backup plans.

If just one person, planned something like this everyday.. hhmm?
and most of this too, Just a matter of showing up...

The people are out there, this is a fact.
Network people.. network!

I would agree with you, but then, we would both be wrong..
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