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PostAuthor: Orleron » Mon Mar 06, 2006 2:14 am

Btw, this is the site I use to derive elven words:

http://milon.morfix.co.il/Default.aspx


I usually type a word in, and then bastardize it to the elven sound and grammar. Problem is you need to be able to read the website, which most people cannot, though a few people here probably can quite easily.
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PostAuthor: Final Shinryuu » Mon Mar 06, 2006 2:29 am



Ouch. That takes me back to Sunday School as a child.
I kinda wish I remembered more than just the hebrew alphabet now. >.>
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PostAuthor: XuafXuaf » Mon Mar 06, 2006 2:29 pm

Well, alas, I am unable to read that site and was looking for a few pointers for a PC. I know Oovu is father but what would it be for a Grandfather?

Also what about formal titles like Sir/Lady. I was looking for a word to use when talking to someone you show respect to.

"Greetings friend" is "Pelail hoovaire" but
"Greetings Sir" would then be "Pelail ?????"

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PostAuthor: Significant Owl » Mon May 22, 2006 10:36 am

*Gentle bump*

Any word on getting a Nanshilae word for Lantern/Torch/lightsource? :)

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PostAuthor: Rain&Clouds » Mon May 22, 2006 2:53 pm

Aloro wrote:Le'Or'T'Nanshi is "The Light of (the) Land of the Elves". "Light" is Or. Le'Or is "the light".


Maybe you can make something out of that? :)
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PostAuthor: Aeveras » Wed May 24, 2006 4:53 am

We're missing an important one here! Couldn't find "mellowsmoke." The best translation I could do was "happy bush," which, in Veras' butchered nanshilae comes out as "naiasee." Don't suppose there's something more specific?

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PostAuthor: Rain&Clouds » Wed May 24, 2006 9:07 am

Try mixing Dru'El and Priest ? :)
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Re: Nanshilae words.

PostAuthor: Nob » Tue Aug 26, 2008 4:56 am

*Dusts off thread.*

Okay, since this seems to be a fairly common word that needs translating: "Archer"

In nanshilae the word for bow is Keeshen.

Archer will be "keeshot". (Yes, yes, derived from "kashat" or "bowman" in hebrew.)
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Re: Nanshilae words.

PostAuthor: Orleron » Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:29 am

Wow, finally someone able to derive a word on their own. Nice job.
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Re: Nanshilae words.

PostAuthor: gutemensch » Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:37 am

Anyone got a website that helps in translating for new words? I've poked around a few times and can only find Hebrew which I don't understand well. Keep trying to find phonetic Hebrew (written in English) but no luck yet.
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Re: Nanshilae words.

PostAuthor: Nob » Sun Nov 02, 2008 12:30 am

Well let's see, the hebrew root words are sheker (lie) and shakran (liar)

sakharas (to lie), sakhar (a lie) and a sakhrin (liar) plural sahkrinen(liars).

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Re: Nanshilae words.

PostAuthor: Belasco » Sun Nov 02, 2008 5:03 am

Oddly, Nob, you're becoming my hero.

How about a couple more, please?

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Re: Nanshilae words.

PostAuthor: Nob » Mon Nov 03, 2008 4:37 pm

Nothing odd about it...but yeah.

sheloom for peace I think fits well with our standard practice. (from lit. "peace" -> "shalom")

A hebrew speaker can correct me on the second one...

I've gotten multiple returns on "yearning", but I think tshuka (seems to be used in a religious context) works best as a nanshile word.

tsookas for 'to yearn'

Other rules for transforming the word apply.

Some bonuses?

retsahk - "murder" ("to murder" retsahkas, 'murders' retsahken, etc. etc.)
ruutsahk - "murderer" ("murderers" as rootsahken)

As usual, YMMV on the usefulness of these words.
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Re: Nanshilae words.

PostAuthor: Pathos Street » Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:30 pm

retsahk - "murder" ("to murder" retsahkas, 'murders' retsahken, etc. etc.)
ruutsahk - "murderer" ("murderers" as rootsahken)


If retsahk is the verb stem, wouldn't retsahkith be the noun? Or did you mean "murder" as a verb, as in "I murder him" ("Eni retsahk loe")
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Re: Nanshilae words.

PostAuthor: Nob » Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:18 pm

That's murder as a verb.
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Re: Nanshilae words.

PostAuthor: JennyH » Thu Nov 20, 2008 2:12 pm

Ship and Navy please?
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Re: Nanshilae words.

PostAuthor: Brayon » Thu Nov 20, 2008 2:19 pm

I hate to ask this, but what about more swear words?

Needing to grasp something, and only having zoozah, sometimes doesn't fit the situation.

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Re: Nanshilae words.

PostAuthor: gutemensch » Thu Nov 20, 2008 3:07 pm

Try these

MondoPotato wrote:Zoozah! --- this is the all purpose DAMN!

Li shav! --- This means, "oh no!"

Eni kaos! --- I'm angry!

Enni mos kaos! --- I'm VERY angry!

Eni D'Senat - I hate that!

If you want to be mean and insult people!

Eni senat ta --- I hate you

ta moocoah! --- all purpose lame insult.. you're ugly!

tem moocoah... if you are speaking to a group of ugly people

ta moocoah v'toopaysh! .... when you really want to be mean... add the 'stupid' at the end

And the ultimate...

Ta oovu'vlook moocaoh v'toopaysh! --- basically... you are saying this stupid and ugly individual sires Orc babies.... any good MALE elf would despise such an insult

the female varient of the above insult....

Ta aym'vlook moocaoh v'toopaysh!

ta hoolas kemoo yeled! --- you are as weak as a child... warriors hate that.. unless they're child warriors....

ta sh'quitha --- I love this one.. even though it is stupid.. it just sounds so funny! It literally translates into ... you're full of fish!

Eni Ayzav! --- If you are really pissed, and just want to leave, you yell this.. it means I'M LEAVING!


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Lulecet'laav le'vlook see ta m'vooas! -- Go back to the Orc bush you came from

Shool'moocoah'aym see hools kamoo kaya'moote! -- Your ugly mother bush smells like a dead animal

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Re: Nanshilae words.

PostAuthor: Brayon » Thu Nov 20, 2008 3:37 pm

Thanks Gute.

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Re: Nanshilae words.

PostAuthor: Belasco » Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:05 pm

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Re: Nanshilae words.

PostAuthor: Brayon » Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:15 pm

I just noticed there is no word for "is."

Is, "is" an implied word, like the "-ing" ending to some words (sing, singing..Hope, Hoping)?

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Re: Nanshilae words.

PostAuthor: spool32 » Thu Nov 20, 2008 7:15 pm

Is is a form of the verb "to be". It's implied in any subject-adjective construction where there's no verb specified.

Example: Lah riavya is literally "She hungry". The irregular verb form "to be" is implied, so it's heard and translated as "She is hungry". Note that this verb form always assumes the present tense... so you can't say "she was hungry". It's a peculiarity of Nanshilae. If you want to talk about being hungry at some other time than right now, you need to specify: Yoom'ooharan lah riavya is literally "Last day she is hungry", or "She was hungry yesterday" when converted to comprehensible common (English). Unfortunately we don't have a lot of time-specific verb forms of "to be" yet... nothing for was, were, or will be. We can imply those to some extent, but it gets dicey very quickly. Nanshilae is a language of the present tense, and speaking of the past or the future is inherently challenging.


Look here for the grammatical rules on "to be": http://wiki.avlis.org/Nanshilae#The_verb_.22to_be.22.
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Re: Nanshilae words.

PostAuthor: theP » Mon Mar 09, 2009 6:37 pm

Any ideas on the Word "Grave" ? 8-)
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Re: Nanshilae words.

PostAuthor: phranque » Mon Mar 09, 2009 10:47 pm

The closest in English would probably be kbr (pronounced kay-bear), so for Nashi, maybe kayvaah or kayvaar?

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Re: Nanshilae words.

PostAuthor: Pathos Street » Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:03 pm

spool32 wrote:Is is a form of the verb "to be". It's implied in any subject-adjective construction where there's no verb specified.

Example: Lah riavya is literally "She hungry". The irregular verb form "to be" is implied, so it's heard and translated as "She is hungry". Note that this verb form always assumes the present tense... so you can't say "she was hungry". It's a peculiarity of Nanshilae. If you want to talk about being hungry at some other time than right now, you need to specify: Yoom'ooharan lah riavya is literally "Last day she is hungry", or "She was hungry yesterday" when converted to comprehensible common (English). Unfortunately we don't have a lot of time-specific verb forms of "to be" yet... nothing for was, were, or will be. We can imply those to some extent, but it gets dicey very quickly. Nanshilae is a language of the present tense, and speaking of the past or the future is inherently challenging.


Look here for the grammatical rules on "to be": http://wiki.avlis.org/Nanshilae#The_verb_.22to_be.22.


There is verb conjugation in Hebrew, based on tense as well as gender and plurality. However, that conjugation is a quite a bit more complicated and probably didn't make the port over to Nanshilae, simply because it's a fantasy language. But it's possible to make do with what's given. For past tense you could use what's on the wiki under "Present Perfect" tense (the translations are along the lines of "I guarded" when they should be "I have guarded", though they line up with past tense Hebrew conjugations, so I think past tense is implied here... the original authors or Hebrew-knowers can feel free to correct me!) Likewise, use "future imperfect" conjugations for future tense.

Eni sher = I sing
Sherti = I sang (or I have sung)
Eni e'sher = I will sing

Loom sheru = They sing
Sheroo = they sang (or they have sung)
Loom ye'sheru = they will sing
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